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Old 07-28-2008, 01:36 AM   #16
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Incidentally, HP is getting PAID by advertisers for putting Malware on their computers. People who think HP gives a damn about what they want are naive, no insult intended. HP only cares about the money it expects to make, and thinking otherwise is a waste of time. That's the reason they can be had at a very reasonable price. Of course, ***I'll*** personally see the Prez of HP in hell before I allow some greedy SOB to tell me what I have to have running on a computer I purchased. But I'm not going to waste time expecting him not to be a greedy SOB.
Make one wonder why you bought an HP????
 
Old 07-29-2008, 09:38 AM   #17
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I'm not grasping what you are getting so upset about
I'm not upset. Metalflight started this thread about a year ago with a computer in the same series as mine. He complained why HP made the decisions it made. I simply pointed out that HP only cares about the money it expects to make. I further said that just because HP wants things a certain way doesn't mean I have to accept it, but that doesn't mean they don't have the right to sell what they want to sell.

Celticblue has a similar machine, I think. Since he's more recent, I was hoping he would still be around. Since I'm going this route anyway, I thought I could give him some advice on how I was able to get HP's malware and Vista off my machine. I'd also like to bounce ideas off someone who is interested in this project.

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The only reason to say "mine is working" is to give some hope to those who are struggling. You will see this quite often here.

I don't recall if you asked for any specific help--if so, I will certainly do what I can.
I didn't ask for help, but I appreciate the offer. You were one of the people who asked Metalflight to expand on his problem, although he seems to have left. I appreciate that. My problem was with people who have a problem with bashers. It's not especially helpful to bash HP or Microsoft, but when something bad has happened, it's an obvious response. However bad it is to bash HP, it's just as bad to bash someone for bashing HP. However, since you think I'm upset, I probably overstated the case. My apologies if I offended anyone (excepting of course Microsoft and HP.)

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Two points:
1. HP certainly can do strange things with partitions if they want to. You are not required to buy the computer.

2. My HP (<6 months old) had no issues whatsoever with hidden partitions. Installing Linux was perfectly straightforward. (Again, only a data point--I'm not trivializing whatever issues you have had.)
Understood. I expect that computer manufacturers float trial balloons all the time. I can ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE you that HP sold me this machine with adware on it. Just why HP placed adware on this machine is not known. It's possible that some adware manufacturer offered HP a deal to do it, and as discussed, HP's only concern is their bottom line.

I can also GUARANTEE that HP had a 3rd partition on the hard drive, which seemed to have something to do with preventing it from being repartitioned and reformatted. As we discussed, this is their right, but it's equally my right to remove it, and my right to assist anyone else who wants to remove it. To the extent that Metalflight and Celticblue have similar problems, they might be glad to receive this information.

Lastly, you said something about being able to buy machines with Linux loaded already. This is true, of course, but ignores the question of whether HP has the right to insist that a certain OS remain forever on whatever hardware they sold me. When I find what I think is a good deal, I don't worry at all about what OS might be installed on it. I'm good with hardware, I own 6 copies of Windows 2000 and I've always been more than capable of taking the original OS off and reinstalling one of mine. (I retire old computers, but having paid for the license, I believe I have the right to redeploy it. M$ may not agree with that, but it has been tested in court and the courts have generally agreed with my position.) Obviously, having had significant trouble in this case, I may have to rethink my way of doing things.
 
Old 07-29-2008, 09:39 AM   #18
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Make one wonder why you bought an HP????
1) Because I thought it was a good deal for the hardware.
2) Because I went to HP's website and found Win2000 drivers, although I did not check to see if enough drivers were available for a complete reload.
3) Because I hadn't had this kind of problem before, so I didn't expect it.
 
Old 07-29-2008, 10:37 AM   #19
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Since i've used to repair Compaq/HP on a regular basis at a tech center i want to shed some light on this case regarding the malware or adware. Im not sure if you people are scared of the malware/adware or not, but this is basicly what it does.

When you buy an Compaq/HP laptop you will ALWAYS have a hidden partition. This isnt only for Compaq/HP but counts for most brands like Toshiba and IBM aswell. Like Toadbrooks said, Compaq/HP may do this. You are not obligated to buy their laptops. Sometimes there is one and sometimes there are two hidden partitions. One partition will mostly activate on the first boot to install your Pre-Installed OS. Nowadays this partition may aswell include the Recovery OS Disc (iso format), Compaq/HP doesnt give recovery discs anymore and you HAVE to burn them yourselve.

The Pre-Installed OS aswell as the "burnt Recovery OS Disc" will have some kind of malware/adware for HP. Presumably these images were created with baked in drivers and what not. Most likely this Windows will be lots slower then a regular "clean XP/Vista" install. Ofcourse with a clean installation, you have to install the drivers manually, if not found by the OS.

Regarding the malware/adware on the hidden partitions, they will simply not install if you install a clean XP/Vista. Compaq/HP doesnt have such rights, simply because it would mean they are infecting your system without notice. When you use their Pre-Install or Recovery Disc you have to accept their EULA, and thus its fully legit.

If your a guru and got your own Installation discs, trow all partitions away before installing "your" OS.
 
Old 07-30-2008, 05:32 AM   #20
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If your a guru and got your own Installation discs, trow all partitions away before installing "your" OS.
For what it's worth, this matches my experience. Something in the previous partitions made it impossible to load in a different OS. I couldn't even manage to delete the partitions, although after one try, I chose a simpler method, namely extracting the drive, putting it in an external case, attaching it to another machine, and blowing away the partitions there.

Last night I completed my first EVER load of Ubuntu, onto my HP DV9627CL. I loaded the Ubuntu version 8.04.1 and experienced only 1 problem. When I attempted to activate the proprietary Nvidia driver, it was not available for download. I manually went to the URL where it was supposed to be coming from and chose the driver which seemed to be closest in name to the one that was missing. I had no trouble installing this driver.

My DV9627CL is running much better now than it was under Vista or Win2000. I have the network, the sound card, and the graphics all running. The USB ports will read my Windoesn't formatted thumbdrives, I've already checked Word documents, pictures, Firefox, and MP3/movie player, and everything works like a charm. The driver for the Broadcom wireless claims to be working, although I have no way to check it. Likewise, since I don't use the camera, I can't verify that the integral camera is working, but given everything else, I expect it is and I'm VERY satisfied.

Including problem mentioned and including time to write my experiences up in a document, total time 1.5 hours.
 
  


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