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I am not mocking ubuntu. In fact openSUSE and mandriva does a better job at simplifying Linux for newbies. Please note I said "ubuntu karmic" and not "ubuntu". I also stated the reason for why I chose it.
Ah, re-read that, sorry. You gave them a Ubuntu derivative to play with. I see. However, why did Karmic embarrass you?
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I think it was 1997 when I discovered Linux by getting a huge book about it. The book had three CDs included in the back. One was Slack. The other two were, if I remember correctly, Caldera and Redhat. There were no bootable CDs back then. I followed the instructions to use Doze to make floppies from which to boot. You had to have two floppies. I restarted my AST desktop and got Linux command line.
I was already used to command line, because I had done DOS and also Unix without any X, so at least I wasn't a complete n00b. Slack was the only one that would install, so Slack was it.
I've tried others since then, but Slack is still it. I get really annoyed when they boot straight into X and give me a desktop which I can't configure. I get really annoyed when they don't let me be root. It's my computer and if I screw it up it's my stupid fault. I get really annoyed by distros that try to impersonate Doze. Let Doze be Doze, I say.
I get really annoyed when they boot straight into X and give me a desktop which I can't configure.
One of the things I did to Fedora soon after installing it is making it boot to the command line.
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I get really annoyed when they don't let me be root. It's my computer and if I screw it up it's my stupid fault.
And also being root without X is the only way to fix more serious problems.
I also tried Slackware64 13.0 and really liked the feel of it, but I just couldn't get over the fact that it didn't have dependency-handling package management. If not for that I probably would be using Slackware now.
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I am an fvwm user, I like to have a tool which I can get the job done quickly, efficiently and the way I want to, I am not bothered about eye candy!
I also find myself attracted to FVWM often, it's just that I can't figure out how to make it behave the way I want.
And I always thought that more than moderate eye-candy is actually more annoying and productivity-hindering (i.e. have to wait for the animated menu to come up before clicking...) than pretty.
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how when you first start to use KDE/Gnome, at first it seems very different from windows however the more you use it, the more and more like windows you realise it is.
When you first start using a WM like FVWM you feel it is rather like windows (albeit an older version!) however the more you use it, the more and more you realise it is isn't at all like windows - that is the beauty of FVWM!
I mean about Slackware. One thing that is annoying about it. I was reading something somewhere about dependency checking. I didn't know you could do this. I was installing something from sourceforge, can't remember what. It wouldn't run because of missing libraries. I found out which one was missing and went on the internet to find the missing package and installed that... It had missing libraries of its own. At this point I started feeling as if I was running up the stairs in the Escher picture. Eventually I got it working. I can't remember what program it was.
It was Slackware. I made a bootable floppy and a root floppy because PCs could not boot from CD. The floppies had some sort of minimal Linux with an installer which read the the CD.
- SCSI issues Adaptec 19160/29160 don't work without patch can't boot the installed system. (RedHat/CentOS good)
- SCSI issues DELL PERC 320 RAID controller same as above. (RedHat/CentOS good too)
- Fix IP address issue network manager rewrite the configuration files. If the network uses DHCP it works well at least.
- Flash player issue. If you start firefox and play flash video the system stucks with that sound driver. You must close firefox to get to work another sound. (ALSA mixer I think)
I got rid of it because those problems above and I use CentOS for server/desktop.
I really don't understand the Fedora and Ubuntu war/competition between them. Right now both can't be used as a desktop nor server.
I would wonder how many person switched to CentOS from Fedora because of the issues above. Well not the SCSI but the IP issue and the Flash/Sound problems.
Just wondering if anyone would care to nominate a disastrous distro from past or present that was simply AWFUL and what exactly was so bad about it?
Microsoft Windows ANYTHING.
as far as Linux goes there are a few I do not like and will no longer use.
Mandrake/mandrivile(sp?)
Ubuntu
Better to say what Linux distros I like:
Pure Debian before they forked FireFox/Thunderbird and screwed around with several other of their once great features.
Sabayon (although their network manager leaves much to be desired. sometimes it works, other times it does not and it very seldom will remember network settings once you get it working if you have to reboot)
CentOS love it for server applications. Hard to beat IMHO.
As much as I love many of the network tools from SuSe it is such a resource HOG I can not stand it.
I have not tried Slackware.
Gentoo cool concept, but just not willing to wait days and days to get a computer installed or 45+min. to install something simple like a web browser.
I thought Debian hadn't forked the Mozilla applications, but merely renamed them, due to Mozille placing (entirely justifiable and lawful) restrictions on the usage of their trademarks that the Debian Project (again justifiably and lawfully) did not wish to comply with.
I thought Debian hadn't forked the Mozilla applications, but merely renamed them, due to Mozille placing (entirely justifiable and lawful) restrictions on the usage of their trademarks that the Debian Project (again justifiably and lawfully) did not wish to comply with.
I HATE Iceweasel, it is so ugly, very slow, and based on an ancient version of Firefox. It is one of the reasons I don't use Debian.
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