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Old 08-15-2014, 09:34 AM   #46
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Hi,

I am cheap and only spend as much as necessary to fulfill my system requirements. My Refurbished Dell Laptop XPS 702XL has a i7, 16 GB memory, 256GB SSD, 320GB HDD (win7), Nvidia Optimus & Intel Graphics, Optimus is configured using Bumblebeed. I have Slackware installed on the SSD, with SSD optimized using noop scheduler. 'TRIM' configured for
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Linux buck1 3.8.10gs-build1 #1 SMP Tue Apr 30 13:27:10 CDT 2013 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz Genuine Intel GNU/Linux
This Laptop is very stable and I use KDE without any issues. I only boot Win/7 when a Client needs help.

I guess a VM could be used for Win/7 since I do have a lot of resources available to setup a host for the Win/7 client. The XPS does have dual drive bays so that is very convenient. I always research my hardware before purchase for a home-brew or a Laptop so there are no gotchas.

Now a days your are likely not to have major issues using Gnu/Linux on new hardware unless the hardware is so new no drivers are available. So that is a good reason to be sure the hardware is supported, if not you roll the dice and will likely have a brick when it comes to Gnu/Linux. Research! I do my searches on DuckDuckGo.
Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!
 
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Old 08-15-2014, 09:39 AM   #47
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I am cheap and only spend as much as necessary to fulfill my system requirements.
That's the linux spirit right there.

Try running windows on a raspberry pi. I think not.

As far as graphics go,. I maintain that my laptops never have anything but Intel Iseries procs, since they work without hassle. I don't bother with Nvidia or Radeon anymore.

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Old 08-15-2014, 01:45 PM   #48
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I don't hate Ubuntu, many of my posts can be found where I recommend Ubuntu and MINT to new users. MINT is Ubuntu unless you select the Debian form of MINT.

I know to many/some this sounds counter-intuitive, "Ubuntu just works". Years ago we got a new processor with new/different bridge architecture than classical x86 machines and Ubuntu was touted as working with it, and that was true.

I work with embedded processors, ARM processors and putting Linux on them (1) I don't use Ubuntu for them; however many times I see that Debian and Ubuntu are tested and supported on their processors and (2) I find peripherals which are not supported from the manufacturer's default Linux are supported if I load Ubuntu or Debian.

Yes, Ubuntu is very slow performing; especially with the GUI. I also am personally taxed by the "improvements" they tend to put into it. Bottom line is "they constantly tinker" with the GUI and as a result it becomes a pain when you upgrade.

Having said some of that, it's also very important to note that many times if you install a new toolchain, and I mean something big like Android development, or a cross compiler; guess what? Very many of them say "Tested with Ubuntu version xx.yy"

So the "standard" that some or a lot of companies use to validate and provide proof of their tools installations as well as declaring what OS's they support ends up referring to Ubuntu.

I use both Ubuntu and MINT, but honestly I use Ubuntu more because it was on my systems first.

And uh ... yeah. Don't swear on the forum.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 03:50 PM   #49
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I would not say I "hate" ubuntu. Just not my preferred flavor. I tend to stay within the RHEL family tree. I am sort of confused about the whole hate thing myself. There are, what...well I could not get distrowatch to give me an exact number but we are going to say 285+ different and distinct linux distributions out there. You don't like one? Don't use it. Plenty of other flavors out there.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 03:57 PM   #50
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I'm another who doesn't use Ubuntu, doesn't like it but also doesn't hate it. I do hate Unity but that's just personal preference and I don't hate that it exists or think anything about anyone for using it.
I do dislike Canonical not mentioning Linux on their website and going their own way with Mir rather than adopting Wayland and a few other things but that's politics and, again, personal opinion.
I would still recommend Ubuntu to new users though I would also mention Mint and Lubuntu and a few others depending on their requirements.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 05:03 PM   #51
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we are going to say 285+ different and distinct linux distributions out there.
Distinct? Changing the colour scheme of the default GUI and calling it a distribution is not distinct. Neither is installing a few applications not included in the default installation and calling it a distro make it distinct. Most of the "distributions" are exactly that. So I strongly disagree with the claim of 285+ distinct distros.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 05:06 PM   #52
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Distinct? Changing the colour scheme of the default GUI and calling it a distribution is not distinct. Neither is installing a few applications not included in the default installation and calling it a distro make it distinct. Most of the "distributions" are exactly that. So I strongly disagree with the claim of 285+ distinct distros.
Perhaps this could be a basis for another thread. I'll admit I tend to agree with your thinking but I wonder how many distinct distros I can think of.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 06:40 PM   #53
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There was a post earlier about how Ubuntu is an inanimate object and that Canonical is what is to be strongly disliked.

Canonical, once all about their human stuff with the video of Mandela on its Live CDs, once created an innovative distro in open manner that brought easy Linux others. It also allowed us to use a Debian GNOME environment that didn't belong in a museum.

But then came trying to come up with more ways to make money. The Software Center, and the failed cloud account were signs Canonical was now using Ubuntu as a cash cow under the veil of F/OSS. Then came Unity, which in itself provides a nice interface, and would be awesome if it wasn't so stiff, which I think was more to try to take steps to get into the mobile market than to help its users.

I wouldn't say Canonical became truly a blemish on the face of the F/OSS until it started putting the Amazon online search result adds in. It made Ubuntu more Orwellian than Microsoft, and also came right around the same time that they said they would hide more of the development process. Since, they have further divided the community with MIR rather than extending Wayland, and have continued to focus on their "convergence" plans, as Microsoft and Apple will probably have achieved that by then. If I'm not misaken, they also threatened Mint for using their servers and updates for free a year or so ago.

While the ethics of Canonical bother me, I will admit Ubuntu has a smooth interface, minus the bloatedness and uncustomizability of Unity, and serves as a great base for Mint, which I reccomend to anyone who wouldn't care about YaST. It also is uniquely capable of coming up with multiple full distro releases in a year unlike any of the others in DistroWatch's top ten (although it seems openSUSE and Fedora are making only temperary delays), although this doesn't do much good as they don't include as much typical Linux software as they used to. It soon will be about as Linux-ish as Android.

Sorry about falling to the flame in a long winded manner, but I can't help it. I tried to have more facts than emotions and kept the subject to what the debate is about, rather than changing it to insulting another user, as often happens on flame wars. I said earlier that Canoncial is worse than Microsoft, which puts them very low in my books. I spent large amounts of my free time playing XBill.

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Old 08-16-2014, 12:13 AM   #54
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There was a post earlier about how Ubuntu is an inanimate object and that Canonical is what is to be strongly disliked.
The post you are referring to is mine and you obviously misread it. I did not say "Canonical is what is to be strongly disliked". This infers I am forcing my feelings on others and requiring them to think like I do on this topic. What I did say is that "I don't hate Ubuntu but I do dislike Canonical", the "I" should indicated to everyone this is my own personal opinion. There is a huge difference between "I dislike Canonical" and "Canonical is what is to be disliked."
 
Old 08-16-2014, 03:22 AM   #55
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It also is uniquely capable of coming up with multiple full distro releases in a year unlike any of the others in DistroWatch's top ten
I'd class them more as "snapshots" than "releases" - but if a short turnaround between re-installs is what you find appealing then Ubuntu may be just the thing.
 
Old 08-16-2014, 01:39 PM   #56
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Perhaps this could be a basis for another thread. I'll admit I tend to agree with your thinking but I wonder how many distinct distros I can think of.
You are right of course. I had no real data to go off of. Distrowatch was not being cooperative. Sure you have your repackaged, recolored crap but the point I am making is there are many choices. You do not like one then try another.

I, too, wonder how many actual distinct distros there are. Searching around the net I found this map/timeline (WARNING:HUGE PNG!) but it primarily shows The three core distros (Debian/Slackware/RedHat) and the distros that were derived from them. Definitely a topic I would like to discuss in another thread.

Back on topic though, does anyone think the issue might not be with the distribution itself but the idea behind it? Bringing new, inexperienced users into the linux fold? There are elitists in every community (not saying anyone here in this discussion or even forum, just in the general linux community) and those elitists who spent hours compiling from source, getting lost in dep-hell and otherwise fixing and patching their own box may look unfavorably on a widely recognized and easy(er) to use distribution that is being used as a standard upon which some software is tested. It is unlikely that the users of ubuntu ever had to sudo make install or figure out dependencies. If you look at it from that angle, then ubuntu is producing linux users that can not maintain their own systems. This is not my personal view, just tried to take a look at it sideways.

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Old 08-17-2014, 03:53 PM   #57
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Money for software? How absurd... KILL EARTH (oh wait no just borders and traditions; think differently!)

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1077980

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Old 08-17-2014, 05:19 PM   #58
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Why i hate ubuntu?
because ubuntu is a stupid name
Ubuntu is a very good name. Too bad the distro's attitude toward its users and Linux makes a mockery of the word's meaning.
 
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Old 08-17-2014, 05:50 PM   #59
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I'm bored. Tired. So here goes nuttin.

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The problem with buntu is not about it being too accessible and easy, it is more about some of the policies and decisions made by canonical ltd with regard to the now infamous contributor licence agreements, ignoring the user base, the indifferent treatment of users, particularly experienced users on their "community" forum among other things, which goes against the spirit of free software and their attempts to rebrand and redirect their distro as a corporate product and platform for their (often proprietary) services.
Kinda like a Lion not concerned with the opinion of a Zebra drinking out of the same water hole I guess.

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but it primarily shows The three core distros (Debian/Slackware/RedHat) and the distros that were derived from them. Definitely a topic I would like to discuss in another thread.
Puppy is a core distro and like my 5 rescued mongrels.
Puppy will Root for you.

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Why i hate ubuntu?
because ubuntu is a stupid name
Kinda hard to respond to that. I guess the best way to deal with ignorance to recognize it first.

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It is not a surprise that many people dislike a system that does not mention (distances itself from) from the systems and projects it leaches from. It does not bother some people, but other people find it very distasteful.
Lets poke around and see

Code:
biker1:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release.dpkg-old
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=14.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=trusty
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Linux Lite 2.0"
@biker1:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=14.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=trusty
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS"
Code:
@biker1:~$ cat /etc/issue.dpkg-old
Linux Lite 2.0 LTS \n \l
@biker1:~$ cat /etc/issue.net
Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
Yep, sure looks like it when one accepts the package maintainers version (saying Yes) during a dist-upgrade.

Code:
biker1:~$ cat /etc/legal

The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by
applicable law.
But I guess no harm no foul legally.

Time to go and pop open another beer.
 
Old 08-18-2014, 06:37 AM   #60
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Not "everyone" hates Ubuntu. I use it daily, ever since my Windows was invaded by the devil who made the "warning: your computer is infected..." message pop up. I trashed the Windows OS and completely installed Ubuntu when it was 8.0 something and have used it ever since. I was irked when they came up with Unity, because I felt I lost some control over how the GUI worked. It looked like they wanted an OS for people who needed a GUI like Windows or Mac. I got used to it. Ubuntu comes with software you need to buy if you use Windows. Most of all, the price of Ubuntu is infinitely better than buying Windows - free vs. lotsa bucks.
 
  


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