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Old 11-29-2018, 09:03 PM   #1
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what Desktop Enviorment has best graphical support?


Hello, I have used a number of different linux distros and DE's over the past and Have loved all of them but the graphics were always slightly glitychy. I had a very large discussion about graphics and xorg with some people on a different site and someone from the xorg team stated that graphics on linux are much behind windows 10s graphical support (he compared it by saying that all linux graphics today currently behave like windows xp and some vista and need a long time to catch up.) My question is, what distro or DE (besides ubuntu) Has the best graphics support and least amount of mircostuttering and such? I am experienced in arch, RHEL, and debian based distros primarily but ill try anything anyone names (and they will most likely fall into one of those categories anyway)

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Old 11-29-2018, 09:50 PM   #2
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AFAIK graphics is not related to distros...it’s about desktop environments (DE). I have very limited experience with DEs. Cinnamon seems to be very Windows-like, but I had problems making it do what I wanted (running over CentOS 7). Am now playing with KDE...
Not much help, except to maybe change the focus of your question. DEs,not distros.
 
Old 11-29-2018, 11:00 PM   #3
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Thanks. I changed the topic maybe it will help.
 
Old 11-30-2018, 01:08 AM   #4
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Best "graphics support" depends on multiple factors, one of which is your actual hardware. Tell us about yours using:
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inxi -b
and what you are using or expect to use it for.
 
Old 11-30-2018, 01:35 AM   #5
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I had a very large discussion about graphics and xorg with some people on a different site and someone from the xorg team stated that graphics on linux are much behind windows 10s graphical support (he compared it by saying that all linux graphics today currently behave like windows xp and some vista and need a long time to catch up.) My question is, what distro or DE (besides ubuntu) Has the best graphics support and least amount of mircostuttering and such?
i do not agree with this statement made by this person on that different site, or yours.
  • i've had an intel CPU & GPU for 3,4 years now and never experienced any sort of "microstuttering".
  • often there's an option to use (closed-source) firmware for the gpu, or even a full closed-source driver (nvidia, amd) - those are practically the same across all OSs.
 
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Old 11-30-2018, 08:28 AM   #6
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this is what he wrote to me when i said i wanted my computers graphics to run just as well as windows 10 after our discussion went on for quite a while.



You wont find that right now. We have Xorg as big holdback. A graphicsserver that shipps a library called “libxfixes” should tell the whole story. Next freesync will come to linux somewhere in 2019 and as last part we have the desktops that also need to do some work. Like KWIN, is already at a point, where is can render everything smoothly in not just 60fps, but also higher. while gnome is completely locked to 60fps. Even in 120Hz displays. No idea about other compositors.
So we’re working on linux desktop stuff, but it’s a long road to go. I’d say we’re at a WinXP stage right now, Vista when it comes to Gnome (maybe also KDE, but I dont know if wayland is fully usable in there by now)
 
Old 11-30-2018, 09:08 AM   #7
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Hello, I have used a number of different linux distros and DE's over the past and Have loved all of them but the graphics were always slightly glitychy


mircostuttering

These aren't actually a common problem. You were asked this before and did not answer: what's your hardware?
 
Old 11-30-2018, 10:58 AM   #8
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this is what he wrote to me when i said i wanted my computers graphics to run just as well as windows 10 after our discussion went on for quite a while.



You wont find that right now. We have Xorg as big holdback. A graphicsserver that shipps a library called “libxfixes” should tell the whole story. Next freesync will come to linux somewhere in 2019 and as last part we have the desktops that also need to do some work. Like KWIN, is already at a point, where is can render everything smoothly in not just 60fps, but also higher. while gnome is completely locked to 60fps. Even in 120Hz displays. No idea about other compositors.
So we’re working on linux desktop stuff, but it’s a long road to go. I’d say we’re at a WinXP stage right now, Vista when it comes to Gnome (maybe also KDE, but I dont know if wayland is fully usable in there by now)
So you don't know which distribution has the "best graphical support", don't describe what you mean by that, but you do seem to have in-depth knowledge about graphics, some libraries installed, and some other buzz words. There's also pretty casual and unexplained references to Windows versions, which is a pretty good way to head down the inflammatory road on a Linux forum.

What's the actual problem here?
 
Old 11-30-2018, 01:26 PM   #9
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To keep everyone not wondering ill just post my form from the other site. i have lots of info there





https://forum.manjaro.org/t/screen-tearing-amd/63505/63
 
Old 11-30-2018, 01:40 PM   #10
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To keep everyone not wondering ill just post my form from the other site. i have lots of info there
I don't think any of us are 'wondering', and if you don't want to answer the questions asked here, there's not much point in POSTING here. Why should we chase down information from you from different websites, to try to help YOU?? Why don't you just answer the questions?? But this fits in with you other threads:

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ia-4175640442/
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ms-4175640263/
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...-a-4175640264/

...where you don't answer/provide details. And you say that Debian isn't what you're after...so you use Ubuntu and Mint (which are DEBIAN BASED)????
 
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Old 11-30-2018, 01:46 PM   #11
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Looks like all the options have already been suggested in that thread.

They work for everyone else.

I don't know what else to tell you.

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Old 11-30-2018, 03:13 PM   #12
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You wont find that right now. We have Xorg as big holdback. A graphicsserver that shipps a library called “libxfixes” should tell the whole story. Next freesync will come to linux somewhere in 2019 and as last part we have the desktops that also need to do some work. Like KWIN, is already at a point, where is can render everything smoothly in not just 60fps, but also higher. while gnome is completely locked to 60fps. Even in 120Hz displays. No idea about other compositors.
So we’re working on linux desktop stuff, but it’s a long road to go. I’d say we’re at a WinXP stage right now, Vista when it comes to Gnome (maybe also KDE, but I dont know if wayland is fully usable in there by now)
I call B.S. windoze 10 is a stuttering, laggy heap of crap. It's horribly designed from a UX perspective and inefficient as hell. Linux may not be "perfect", but I when I ran Linux, I had far better performance than windoze ever had, IMHO. It pisses me off that this idiot even compares winshite with Linux and I am not even a huge Linux fan.

Rant over...
 
Old 11-30-2018, 03:16 PM   #13
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"dear tb0ne, I am heartfully sorry you are upset with me, I know i have angered you but I am vvery surprised that you are upset you need to help me on a site called "linux questions". Isnt that a site that helps people? if you actually were here to help me then i would think you would want to. but hmmm maybe you are here for other reasons, maybe you are unhappy with yourself and with your life so you come on here and try to make people feel dumb and make them sad because you are very unhappy with your own life. Well i hate to say it but, you cant cyber bully me, I know how to press the X button bye love.
 
Old 11-30-2018, 03:27 PM   #14
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"dear tb0ne, I am heartfully sorry you are upset with me, I know i have angered you but I am vvery surprised that you are upset you need to help me on a site called "linux questions". Isnt that a site that helps people? if you actually were here to help me then i would think you would want to. but hmmm maybe you are here for other reasons, maybe you are unhappy with yourself and with your life so you come on here and try to make people feel dumb and make them sad because you are very unhappy with your own life. Well i hate to say it but, you cant cyber bully me, I know how to press the X button bye love.
Not angry at all. We ARE here to help people, but:
  • We aren't going to beg you for information
  • We aren't going to chase down things from other sites
  • When you post questions, you need to at least FOLLOW UP
  • If you get advice, try taking it
  • If you say you're going to do something, do it.
For example, saying you contacted "Debian support" (????) in your other threads seems odd..are you PAYING for Debian, somehow? Hired a consultant?? When you then KNEW you were having problems with Debian, why on earth would you then load Ubuntu or Mint which are BASED on Debian, then be surprised you're still having issues? When you get asked "what's your hardware", answer....don't send us on an Internet chase to get information. Again, WHY should we chase down things for you??

These are simple things. You got asked questions in your other threads, and never answered them. So why should we bother trying to help you now, when you AGAIN won't just say "this is my hardware" when asked??? You don't even say what distro you're using...we can GUESS at Manjaro, but you've said Debian, Mint, and Ubuntu in your other threads too, but don't bother saying what you're using here. Or should we ask, so you won't answer again???

And the typical "maybe you're unhappy...shouldn't this site be about helping? etc." comments are heard VERY often, typically when folks are caught doing things just like you were. If you loaded Manjaro and are so VERY happy with the support you're getting on their forum, then why ask here? Grow up with the 'cyber bullying' junk...read the LQ Rules and the "Question Guidelines". Provide details, and participate in the conversation. If you can't and get whiny when asked, what do you think is going to happen?
 
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Old 11-30-2018, 03:31 PM   #15
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^^^ Really. That wasn't "cyber bullying." There's been worse than that comment in this thread and it hasn't merited much of anything so far.
 
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