Pro/Con Openbox versus Blackbox?

patrick295767 · 12-25-2017, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sevendogsbsd

Wow, did not know that, thanks for the tip! I love the simplicity of BB but the bbkeys issue always made me switch.

xbindkeys is possible workaround, but a really good alternative to bbkeys IS needed. xbindkeys needs a fork.

ondoho · 12-26-2017, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrick295767

Testing with apt-get gave me these results. Blackbox requires just:

Code:

The following NEW packages will be installed:
  blackbox libbt0v5

while openbox requires:

Code:

root@devuan:/home/darkhacker# apt-get install openbox
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  adwaita-icon-theme at-spi2-core dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service fontconfig giblib1
  glib-networking glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gsettings-desktop-schemas
  gtk-update-icon-cache hicolor-icon-theme libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data libatspi2.0-0
  libavahi-client3 libcairo-gobject2 libcairo2 libcolord2 libcroco3 libcups2 libdatrie1 libdconf1
  libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgif7 libgraphite2-3 libgtk-3-0 libgtk-3-bin
  libgtk-3-common libharfbuzz0b libid3tag0 libimlib2 libjbig0 libjson-glib-1.0-0 libjson-glib-1.0-common
  liblcms2-2 libobrender32v5 libobt2v5 libpango-1.0-0 libpangocairo-1.0-0 libpangoft2-1.0-0
  libpangoxft-1.0-0 libproxy1v5 librest-0.7-0 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common libsoup-gnome2.4-1 libsoup2.4-1
  libstartup-notification0 libthai-data libthai0 libtiff5 libxcb-render0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-util0
  libxcomposite1 libxrandr2 obconf openbox python-xdg scrot
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EDIT @Ondoho:
actually, yes.
it IS of major importance.

you didn't disable install-recommends!
so this really is a debian issue; openbox does NOT depend on gtk3.
this was discussed already a while ago on e.g. bunsenlabs forums.

anyhow, nobody disputes that openbox is larger than blackbox, but compared to other apps required on a modern desktop, the difference is negligible.
like arguing whether you dropped 10 or 20 crumbs while eating a sandwich.

Mill J · 12-26-2017, 07:24 AM

You have to realise openbox is part of several different DEs and a drop in alternative to several other wms in other DE means openbox has to support all these variables.

I don't know where blackbox is on this but I'm assuming it is used as a standalone WM?

sevendogsbsd · 12-26-2017, 07:29 AM

Core openbox is used for some DEs (LXDE) but it was designed as a standalone WM. Blackbox was also designed as a standalone WM.

ondoho · 12-26-2017, 09:16 AM

i like my window manager to be as EWMH compliant as possible.

sevendogsbsd · 12-26-2017, 10:12 AM

What does that mean exactly? Heard the term, not sure what it means.

ondoho · 12-26-2017, 02:34 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EWMH

sevendogsbsd · 12-26-2017, 02:41 PM

Thank you for the reference.