First of all, I would never want anything of Microsoft's touching my machines ever again. And wouldn't it aggrivate if Microsoft took EVERY one of our ideas and put it into their operating system (And for that matter, our code)? Look at the Longhorn screenshots.

Multiple Desktops, an Analog Clock, Multiple Panels

Who had these first? (This last line is a statement)

-Artimus

Unix.

I agree with nano_electronix - who cares? Everybody should steal everybody's good ideas and be forced to come up with better ideas and, more pertinently, better implementations of them. Watch Longhorn's multiple desktops hang and crash when you switch between them. (Though, actually, XP's multiple desktops work fine except for the taskbar getting scrambled up.) But the point is, it doesn't aggravate me if Windows makes or swipes something cool. It aggravates me if Linux *doesn't*.

M$ does have an overbearing attitude to how they do their business, and while I much prefer Linux myself, I will disagree that they put out "total crap".
As far a using Windows at work, I feel that is my employers problem, not mine, I do everything I can to work with it and let the tech guy take care of it when it is broken.
I used Suse 6.4 years ago and never used the command line for anything practical years ago. I used GUI tools for everything, mostly YAST. Yet even though my initial use of Linux did not involve using the command line "all the time" I can not even post this because the only response I get is "you damn geeks think everyone wants to know programming and use the command line! Some people just want to USE their computers!!!" Actually the entire time I used Suse 6.4 I did exactly that.

tell ya what. Im just gonna back off this thread, right here and now. Im new to these forums and I have really worn out the search button, getting all KINDS of useful information...the last thing I want to do is start a flamewar with someone in my first week here. I had no intention of being offensive, my example of my father in law was not meant to slam anyone here or offend anyone, it was just me trying to give a little perspective.

I guess Im just a little sensitive. I have run in to countless people on programming forums that are just falling all over themselves with arrogance. Mainly I find the attitude that the logic of code and computing should be common knowledge even to a brand new green beginner. So my hackles tend to get raised when I think I see a hint of it.

I will keep out from now on, and stick to my searches.

adieu.

carry on.

Brutal

This area of the forums is for the OT rants, occasional flames, and hopefully a good bit of laugh, amongst thousdands of other uses. Feel free to get carried away It's nice to be able to have an argument/conversation with someone who knows things, on both sides of the table. The only stipulant is keeping with the rules of not personally attacking people, which given the right set of words, doesn't happen often. What do they call that... diplomacy! My Dad always used to say:
Diplomacy is the ability to tell someone to go to he!! and have then actually look forward to the journey.

If you can do that, flame away! If the conversation gets out of hand, which it does from time to time, a Moderator will do their best to hop in and douse some of the flames to keep the thread alive without a fat lock on it. So bring your points to the table, discuss others, be constructive, have a good time! Search away as well, but hey, we can all have a plethora of info waiting for us at the touch of a button, while we sit back and relax for a good conversation over Dolphins

Cool

sorry, i think you should read wat you type.

If you don't want to touch anything microsoft then that's your freedom, but you are probably missing out a lot, and you probably don't know what you are missing out on since you don't use microsoft.

And who said microsoft took EVERY one of your ideas (assuming you are a open source developer) , i am sure microsoft developers out there also contribute to Linux projects.
As many have mentioned before, Linux is a Unix clone, if everyone look at things from the same perspective that you are looking at it, then why is open source people taking all the good ideas from Unix. And why is Linux going GUI (windows'/Mac's idea). Anyway, like i said before, taking other people's ideas and making them better is a good thing.

In reply to another post with regard to servers in big corporations using linux as servers. you'll probably see that fade out sometimes in the future. although using linux as print and file servers and numerous other services like dns and dhcp may well be used in the future because of its low costs. but like i said, when you have a system of coupla hundred or thousands of computers and which span across multiple sites and multiple domains, then you'll start to see the advantage of active directory and all the automated delegations between domain controllers.

blah, enough said

Cheers

These exsisted in the microsoft world long time go, there's an open source project called Litestep that implemeted these feature's(and hundred's more) as a clone for afterstep about 4-5 year's ago, it's made life for those of us that have to use microsoft on a daily basis that much better.

nano_electronix
I'm sure your right about that!
By the way, i didn't read this whole thread so if this post came out of left feild, i don't have a very big attention span, i think i made a valod point.

Okay. Before i go on i just want it known that i'm a and i absolutely love linux! I've been running redhat 8 on my system for a month and it rocks.

Now, one reason that linux can scare away potential users (I know like 10 at my work) is that things that are braindead easy in windows, are mind numbingly difficult in Linux. Like watching streaming video (windows can do this out of the box [go to jedimaster.net and watch the starwars kid ,you won't be sorry]) and the biggest thing is games.

The day I swore off windows was when i brought home my shiny new Medal of Honour Allied assault, popped it in, had a problem running it, my system locked up, i restarted, and now windows is totally f#$%ed. I figured i'd just install winex and be off, but it's been 2 weeks and i can't get the damned thing to work (gimme some helphere please!)

And just all around linux is more difficult. However before i get flamed to death i'd like to say that having used it for a month I've learned quite a bit, and it's now becoming quite easy. I'm customizing my system, i'm fiddling around with all the nifty doodads. I'm never going back to the Dark Side. I just want to get accross that Linux just seems like so much unneccessary work to the average (and by average i mean 15 years + mostly gamers) user. We need less flamers and more Helpers to encourage people to try linux out. Cause once they can tell the front from the back, they'll never toouch windows again.

Yeah, that's what we are all here for

Hands down, what would appear to be the best approach to WineX is sport the 15 bux for the first 3 months, see if it's good, keep it if you can afford the 5 bux a month, drop it and keep the binaries you got from your initial subscription.

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Gentoo can do that even easier than windows no sweat. "emerge mplayer" and you can watch realmedia streams without anythign else doing whatsoever at all....

Brutal, I hope you will read MasterC's comments below your post and continue to post your thoughts and comments as you feel is wise.

Good Luck

ok, thats cool.

I guess I just dont want to start nothin with you guys, cuz I think this place is cool.

Was UNIX open source back when M$ bought DOS?

Is it not true to say that bill gate was one of 2 implementers of DOS.

Everyone rants about Microsoft and I agree with a lot of it, but think of the poor Asian and other third world people who assemble most of our computer equipment and other electronic equipment and sell it to us a lot cheaper than what it would sell for if it were made in the USA.

Way back in the 1980's I used to put machine code into a Commodore 64 computer with the help of programs which checked the hex code for errors. One time it took 3 days to load a program which I used once or twice and for what? The last day I was up until 5:00 am putting the hex code in. Its probably still on a 5 1/4 inch floppy somewhere. I took Fortran, Basic, Ada, C, Unix and never use them. I work as a registered patent agent and don't do programming for a living. A couple weeks ago I was trying to decide if I wanted to change my muffler myself and save some money, but decided to have a mechanic do it. One of the pipes was damaged, too, which I could have patched up, but the mechanic did a much better job. The gas company sent me something in the mail about changing the gas regulator in my garage and I called them. I offered to change it myself so I didn't need to take a day off from work. They said they couldn't do that and scheduled an appointment to have a contractor come out to change it. When he came out and looked at it he noticed that one of the pipes went through a hole in a bench and the pipes were old and rusted. He said he had to take the pipe out, but since the bench was in the way he couldn't do it that day and said he had to write a report for the gas company and maybe have a carpenter come out and remove part of the bench. After he left I looked at the rusted pipes and thought how potentially dangerous it would be to take it apart and possibly cause a leak somewhere.

Moral of the story: you can't always be a do-it-your-selfer.

Also relevant:
http://forum.microsuck.com/cgi-bin/u...c&f=2&t=000702