The Faith & Religion mega Thread

The fact that this happens to be Islam is irrelevant - because I will also pick on another one after this article:

https://www.rt.com/news/383580-malay...marriage-rape/ 9yo girls 'physically & spiritually' ready to marry – Malaysian MP Girls as young as nine are “physically and spiritually” ready for marriage, a Malaysian MP says, also claiming there’s “nothing wrong” with females marrying their rapists. It comes after Malaysia failed to criminalize child marriage in a recent law.

So where are all those women marchers out there , with their p*ssy hats and wearing the niqab in the states - spouting just how much said religion is actually feminist somehow. Cognitive dissonance much?! Yea, but Trump is the problem.....


Other religion now I am going to pick on:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39500648 Russia court considers Jehovah's Witnesses ban Russia's Supreme Court has begun hearing a government request to outlaw the Jehovah's Witnesses and declare it an extremist organisation.

I would feel sorry for them, but I do not. I can't count the times I get thee idiots at my door - along with Mormons and others. This will be an unpopular view to most on LQ, but good on the Kremlin on this one. I agree.

Though I do live in the states - so that would not fly here - because of the whole freedom of religion thing - and that is fine, but I wish to be free from these idiots coming to my door. Leave me the hell alone, but this is nothing compared to the first article.

Originally Posted by Jeebizz The fact that this happens to be Islam is irrelevant - because I will also pick on another one after this article: So where are all those women marchers out there , with their p*ssy hats and wearing the niqab in the states - spouting just how much said religion is actually feminist somehow. Cognitive dissonance much?! Yea, but Trump is the problem..... Other religion now I am going to pick on: I would feel sorry for them, but I do not. I can't count the times I get thee idiots at my door - along with Mormons and others. This will be an unpopular view to most on LQ, but good on the Kremlin on this one. I agree. Though I do live in the states - so that would not fly here - because of the whole freedom of religion thing - and that is fine, but I wish to be free from these idiots coming to my door. Leave me the hell alone, but this is nothing compared to the first article.

the article reads

As the case began in Moscow on Wednesday, lawyers representing the movement submitted a counter suit, asking the High Court to declare its members victims of political repression and the justice ministry's action unlawful.

Region is not political per se. though some like to use it for political gain. where? I have no idea so I may have misspoke because Americas political stance on Religion is it has no real place in Government whatsoever, and if they "America" could wipe out Christianity it would and still they'd say God bless America at the end of a speech.

Originally Posted by Jeebizz The fact that this happens to be Islam is irrelevant - because I will also pick on another one after this article: So where are all those women marchers out there , with their p*ssy hats and wearing the niqab in the states - spouting just how much said religion is actually feminist somehow. Cognitive dissonance much?! Yea, but Trump is the problem..... Other religion now I am going to pick on: I would feel sorry for them, but I do not. I can't count the times I get thee idiots at my door - along with Mormons and others. This will be an unpopular view to most on LQ, but good on the Kremlin on this one. I agree. Though I do live in the states - so that would not fly here - because of the whole freedom of religion thing - and that is fine, but I wish to be free from these idiots coming to my door. Leave me the hell alone, but this is nothing compared to the first article.

this one reads

“They reach puberty at the age of nine or 12. And at that time, their body is already akin to them being 18 years old. So physically and spiritually, it is not a barrier for the girl to marry,

true as that is, what is it in Jewish Life, 12 is the celebration for a girls adult hood, and 13 is for the boy? Puberty being the deciding factor that separates childhood from adulthood.

Not too long ago in America if a woman was not married by the age of 16 she was considered an old maid.

15 in one state in America says it is ok for a woman to have sex -- under the age of concent laws in America.


so if a 13 yr old is married at 13 yrs old why is it all of a sudden some kind of moral crime against humanity?

how they are being treated within that marriage is what needs to be put to question.

Originally Posted by BW-userx this one reads true as that is, what is it in Jewish Life, 12 is the celebration for a girls adult hood, and 13 is for the boy? Puberty being the deciding factor that separates childhood from adulthood. Not too long ago in America if a woman was not married by the age of 16 she was considered an old maid. 15 in one state in America says it is ok for a woman to have sex -- under the age of concent laws in America. so if a 13 yr old is married at 13 yrs old why is it all of a sudden some kind of moral crime against humanity? how they are being treated within that marriage is what needs to be put to question.

Well my question still stands - where are those feminist idiots, with their hats, protesting Trump, espousing their reverence for said religion - when it practically JUSTIFIES through some religious mumbo jumbo that the rapist is in the clear, if the RAPED VICTIM - marries said rapist? Turkey tried to pass the same law too. Oh yes, but lets protest Trump - he's such a misogynist. Or follow Anita Sarkisian - because gaming and other forms of entertainment is sexist, meanwhile in THE REAL WORLD - certain countries/religions outright favors the perpetrator and pretty much punishes/humiliates the victim...

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In the case of Judaism - I do not know of any girls at age 13 or whenever their bat-mitvah is - that are married.

Oh and one more thing - how do you think the victim will be treated in her forced marriage to said rapist?

Region is not political per se.

Can you see, reality reads or not in braille too?

If ones read it like they are suppose to in order to get out of it what it is that they are suppose to and then lived by it. This killing, rape, stealing, bearing false witness against others (lying about something they did or did not do), pride, envy, greed, would be a lot lower within this world. That is only a small example of what evils would not be so prevalent within this world.

I didn't know if we all read the satanic bible it would fix things, wow that's the problem huh!

Originally Posted by Jeebizz Well my question still stands - where are those feminist idiots, with their hats, protesting Trump, espousing their reverence for said religion -

sorry I am not a private detective .. better get a better paying job and find someone that is to get the answer to that question. or hack in to a GPS sight, maybe post a question in a different section on how to that.

Originally Posted by Jeebizz when it practically JUSTIFIES through some religious mumbo jumbo that the rapist is in the clear, if the RAPED VICTIM - marries said rapist? Turkey tried to pass the same law too. Oh yes, but lets protest Trump - he's such a misogynist. Or follow Anita Sarkisian - because gaming and other forms of entertainment is sexist, meanwhile in THE REAL WORLD - certain countries/religions outright favors the perpetrator and pretty much punishes/humiliates the victim...

I was not going to comment on that. why should I . it can only be speculation on my part. go live with same said rapist and find out. BTW just so you know RAPE has nothing to do with sex, it is an control issue.

Originally Posted by Jeebizz -edit In the case of Judaism - I do not know of any girls at age 13 or whenever their bat-mitvah is - that are married.

I do not either I was just pointing out the deciding factor between childhood and adulthood, and using judaism as a point of reference.

Originally Posted by Jeebizz Oh and one more thing - how do you think the victim will be treated in her forced marriage to said rapist?

again that can only be mere speculation on my part as I stated before RAPE is a control issue it has nothing to do with sex.


you are asking questions that cannot be answered decisively. why?

just so you can blame everything on Religion as a whole so you can self justify not believing in any one of them?

Originally Posted by BW-userx you are asking questions that cannot be answered decisively. why?

They should be addressed.

Originally Posted by BW-userx just so you can blame everything on Religion as a whole so you can self justify not believing in any one of them?

I don't care what religion it is, and the fact it is a religion should not give it any sort of free pass of any scrutiny and criticism. I never stated I was or was not religious nor did I state what religion I happen to belong to - but I am going to hold it to the same standard, what my own religion happens to be (which I choose not to reveal) - should be no different, and should not be exempt from any sort of scrutiny and criticism. Religion should not get a pass just because it is religion, whatever it may be.

Originally Posted by Jeebizz They should be addressed.

as is in the phone book so they can be easily found? maybe in the Yellow Pages for easier categorizing.

Originally Posted by Jeebizz I don't care what religion it is, and the fact it is a religion should not give it any sort of free pass of any scrutiny and criticism. I never stated I was or was not religious nor did I state what religion I happen to belong to - but I am going to hold it to the same standard, what my own religion happens to be (which I choose not to reveal) - should be no different, and should not be exempt from any sort of scrutiny and criticism. Religion should not get a pass just because it is religion, whatever it may be.

it was just a yes or no question. settle down.

Jeebiz, you're conflating two things that have nothing to do with one another. The sexual abuse of children is vile, and any religion that condones it is to be condemned. And yes, it is quite true that the politically correct are disgracefully mealy-mouthed about this sort of thing when the abusers happen to be Muslims. There was a much worse example of this in the UK recently. A gang of Asian Muslim men were kidnapping and systematically abusing young white girls in Rochdale for years, and neither the police nor social services did anything about it because they were afraid of being called islamophobic.

But Jehovah's Witnesses do no one any harm, and doorstep evangelists are merely a nuisance. Banning them is just an attack on free speech and freedom of religion.

Where to draw the lines? Religions only evolved from killing virgins and such because humans have... but, lying, stealing, being fooled.Fooling fools &c is okay because none get killed?

Where to draw the lines? Religions only evolved from killing virgins and such because humans have... but, lying, stealing, being fooled.Fooling fools &c is okay because none get killed?

where is ones proof when making such a statement as this that it is a truth?

to group "Regions" into one central category is just wrong to do in the first place. because people in their own laziness do not want to be that honest. it is just too much work for them. they where born lazy and seem to insist to stay that way.

whereas when someone follows just a man that had many thoughts on how one should live a better life and so they can be reincarnated into something else. or come back again as themselves but only in a different body.

this is recycling of ones whatever term one put to it. it is not a worshiping of any one that is said to be a god.

therefore it is not a religion. it is just a belief system being put to use by many others that are too lazy to actually put thought to it. to pick it apart and see it for what it really is.


to say that all Religions when their is actually only one true Religion evolved from "killing virgins and such" . where is the proof in that?

oh wait, here it is, but not really, "because humans have..." leaving an open ending to that thought because their is no real proof to his claim. therefore he even knows he is a liar about what he just said, and yet he decided to go ahead and make lair out of himself. By actually telling others . so here we have an individual that just lied to himself and others. WHY?

why did he decided to stay with a lie, instead of being honest to himself then others.

Why do some people insist on lying to themselves then to other?

In actual human life, religions are more a reflection of society's evils, than any real justification for it.

For instance, one cannot reconcile the Judaeo-Christian God proclaiming, "thou shalt not kill," and killing(!) someone who killed the wrong person, with the same(?) God who ordered(?) hundreds of acts of violence and murder (and, genocide) throughout the first few books of the Old Testament.

"Basically," I say, "don't even try to."

Even though religion always deals in celestial absolutes, there is always humanity involved, with both the bright-and-beautiful and dark-and-hateful things that humanity brings.

A person squeezed that trigger, or planted and then blew up that bomb. Whether or not that person says, "God told me to do it."

Originally Posted by ntubski What about Scientific racism? Sure, you can call it pseudoscience, but isn't that just the No true Scotsman fallacy?

IMHO it is exceedingly important to keep Science and Scientists separate. Pretenders are prolific and humans have a multitude of agendas and prejudices. The evolving, constantly updated and revised Body of Knowledge and more importantly The Scientific Method itself ultimately are immune to such misguided, trite behaviour. Just to be clear my use of the word "trite" by no means is meant to make light of the horrific or the dull grind of such "institutions" as racism, but rather the concern with such things with not only no evidence but a wealth of counter evidence and most importantly as a justification of violent and coercive oppression.

Perhaps most telling is that Science has discovered with disparate fields of study that there is only one Race of Humans, Homo Sapiens and beyond that so what if there were different races? The fact remains that cooperation almost always is preferable to suppression and the vast majority of humans are not wired to harm others given a positive option. We may be testing the boundaries of this as growing population creates overcrowding, increasing both the motivation and opportunity for conflict. Hopefully increased access to information will play a part in culling out the traits that take joy in the misery of others in a few of us.

FWIW I was there at The March on Washington in 1963 and while his oratory was moving, his words ...

Originally Posted by Martin Luther King, Jr. - I Have a Dream I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

did not come as a revelation or radical concept to me. For me it was more like, "What else even makes sense?"

So despite any single person's desire to corrupt, interpret, or borrow the power of The Scientific Method. just like Mathematics, it is pure and incorruptible and eventually casts out such impurities. It is by design a dynamic, self-correcting system as opposed to static, cast-in-stone systems that resist any sort of change. It can be difficult to wait for Science to exert it's self-correction but what does it better, more consistently or faster? It took 300 years for Christianity to admit Galileo was correct that the Earth was not the center of the Solar System (or anything beyond human existence) and that the "infallibility" of Popes is a "Naked Emperor" snow job.

Originally Posted by Beatles - Fool On the Hill But the fool on the hill Sees the sun going down, And the eyes in his head, See the world spinning around.

Originally Posted by BW-userx and it's get too lengthy a post as well ..... so this is all that is important to you? figures.

Oh man! Perhaps you should walk down to the Library, find the appropriate aisle, shelf, and volume by which you could get a clue. This thread is just a few hundred pages and not only have you NOT brought up anything new and earth-shaking, but it has all been addressed already (sometimes several times) by many, including Yours Truly, right here, so RightBackAtcha - "figures". Too long or too hard to use the "Search" function?

Sorry, Bud, but your attempts of smoke screen, leaps of illogic, obfuscation are not new either and are in fact tired old hacks that will not cause me to rise to your poisoned bait. It is now a matter of record (as with the Lenny Bruce quote leaps you made) that you have zero interest in Truth but only with Saving Face and maintaining Status Quo.... YOUR Status Quo. You NEED things to be Black and White and immutable and error is a bad thing to you, rather than one avenue exhausted and one step closer to Truth. We, Sir, are Oil and Water and while you slip and slide around logic, I see right through you since even just the microcosm of this thread has a few just like you, since Conformity and Uniformity is part and parcel of Organized religion.

If this condescension bothers you, I'm happy to abandon it and prefer it never began but I will respond "in kind". Unfortunately "Sanctimonious" and "Smug" tend to go hand in hand.

Originally Posted by sundialsvcs In actual human life, religions are more a reflection of society's evils, than any real justification for it. For instance, one cannot reconcile the Judaeo-Christian God proclaiming, "thou shalt not kill," and killing(!) someone who killed the wrong person, with the same(?) God who ordered(?) hundreds of acts of violence and murder (and, genocide) throughout the first few books of the Old Testament. "Basically," I say, "don't even try to." Even though religion always deals in celestial absolutes, there is always humanity involved, with both the bright-and-beautiful and dark-and-hateful things that humanity brings. A person squeezed that trigger, or planted and then blew up that bomb. Whether or not that person says, "God told me to do it."

that bold part is made out of lack of true understanding of the same God of Judaism and Judaeo-Christian that created both me and you which equates to all of Mankind. Always removing the fact of the soul and its ability to not die but be only have the capability to be destroyed instead. Whereas the flesh just returns to the earth, dust to dust and ashes to ashes after it dies.

this statement "Basically," I say, "don't even try to." will be the death of you by your own hand not God's. Because you lack the inclination to find out the absolute truth. Therefore you will never obtain it, and your soul will be destroyed as a result of your lack to even want to try and seek it.

That is why sloth is a deadly sin.

and because of your slothfulness your belief that it is a waste of time to seek so one can find the absolute truth is not necessary to even try to, then you try to get others to follow you by sharing your thoughts which are your beliefs to try and get others to follow you instead -- only to lead them that agree to your beliefs to their own deaths as well.

People like that are the ones spreading death by that belief of what they think is an absolute truth when it is not. This is not Gods doing but man.

therefore it is man that kills himself not God.

Mans soul is what is important to God not the flesh.