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View Poll Results: UNIX is better than WINDOWS
what?HELLO.i am UNIX. the best! 605 68.52%
whooa, wait a minute. Windows is BETTER than UNIX 48 5.44%
hoo-boy..i don't like both. 64 7.25%
errr...i don't know, what is UNIX afterall? 11 1.25%
windows?never heard of it... 155 17.55%
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Old 11-17-2010, 05:53 AM   #4696
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And there is no protocol which says you can not make money using Linux.
 
Old 11-17-2010, 06:06 AM   #4697
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Let us all pray for a sensible post from Kenny some day in the not too distant future.
Amen.
 
Old 11-17-2010, 06:14 AM   #4698
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I hope to keep posting till that date.
 
Old 11-17-2010, 06:17 AM   #4699
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God wanted to grant you a wish Brian, but he called and asked you to wish for something sensible.
 
Old 11-17-2010, 08:52 AM   #4700
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That is the point I don't get. How can it be a symbol for freedom to forbid something?
I see this symbol as "It is (or should be) forbidden to make money out of Linux". But what is then with Red Hat, the Suse Linux Enterprise Editions or Elive? They make money out of Linux.
Yes, but with those distros you only pay for technical support, you don't pay license fees like you have to with Windoze.
 
Old 11-17-2010, 09:00 AM   #4701
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Yes, but with those distros you only pay for technical support, you don't pay license fees like you have to with Windoze.
In Elive I have to pay for the installer if I want to install their OS to harddisk, instead of using it from live-medium. I would consider that a license fee. They don't even sell support.
 
Old 11-17-2010, 09:13 AM   #4702
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In Elive I have to pay for the installer if I want to install their OS to harddisk, instead of using it from live-medium. I would consider that a license fee. They don't even sell support.
True -- but if it is a license fee it's a GPL violation.
 
Old 11-17-2010, 09:15 AM   #4703
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True -- but if it is a license fee it's a GPL violation.
How do you come to that conclusion?
 
Old 11-17-2010, 09:17 AM   #4704
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If linux or any of the BSDs would charge for a license fee in the future, I would gladly play it.

Linux is worth my money, whereas window$ is worth jack!
 
Old 11-17-2010, 05:51 PM   #4705
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How do you come to that conclusion?
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Originally Posted by GNU GPL, section 10: Automatic Licensing of Downstream Recipients
For example, you may not impose a license fee, royalty, or other charge for exercise of rights granted under this License ...
Now do you see the pattern?
 
Old 11-17-2010, 06:13 PM   #4706
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Now do you see the pattern?
No, I don't. The installer is not build in their system, you have to download it separately, and if they have written it from scratch and don't include GPLed code(I don't know, never had purchased it) they can give any license to it they want. No breaking of GPL that way, they can even use libraries for it that are under LGPL license (in fact the LGPL was invented by the FSF for this purpose).
 
Old 11-17-2010, 06:52 PM   #4707
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Yes, but the installer installs the system, doesn't it? To charge a license fee for it prevents you from installing the OS without paying that fee. Therefore, by charging a license fee for the installer you charge a license fee to install the OS and therefore a license fee for the OS.
 
Old 11-17-2010, 07:07 PM   #4708
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Yes, but the installer installs the system, doesn't it?
It just copies some files and sets up the system. I am sure this can be done by hand, but is more complicated. I am paying for an automated service, sold to me by the Elive people. I don't see any GPL violation here.
 
Old 11-17-2010, 07:13 PM   #4709
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny_Strawn View Post
Yes, but the installer installs the system, doesn't it? To charge a license fee for it prevents you from installing the OS without paying that fee. Therefore, by charging a license fee for the installer you charge a license fee to install the OS and therefore a license fee for the OS.
You're obviously not a lawyer ... and potentially not that
great w/ English, shall I say? The GPL explicitly allows
you to charge for distribution (to cover your cost) - this
is what those people are doing. It's not a licence fee for
GPLed code - it's a charge for the use of their installer.



Cheers,
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Last edited by Tinkster; 11-17-2010 at 07:14 PM.
 
Old 11-17-2010, 07:30 PM   #4710
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Hi,

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny_Strawn View Post
Yes, but the installer installs the system, doesn't it? To charge a license fee for it prevents you from installing the OS without paying that fee. Therefore, by charging a license fee for the installer you charge a license fee to install the OS and therefore a license fee for the OS.
May be the following will help;
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gpl-violations.org Source Code Release FAQ is a FAQ that contains some more detailed information on the requirements and best current practice of providing corresponding source code for GPL licensed executable code. It was compiled as a result of the numerous shortcomings and mistakes of more than sixty successful GPL enforcements.
 
  


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