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Wow, i have not got the guts to try it (Since it looks like system kernel), but anyway, I only found NTOSKRNL.exe (not .dll) . I copy it and paste it on desktop
(Instead of moving out.),using AntiVir from AVIRA (An anti-virus software) to scan the copied version (On Desktop) and found that it claim there is no detection. (Of unwanted programs/virus. So it's safe.)
Yes, NTOSKRNL.EXE is what I meant. I was thinking of two different files at the same time. Yes, that's Windows' kernel. If it gets trashed you'll boot straight into a BSOD. It's good that it scanned clean.
Another less destructive example would be NTUSER.DAT under a user's folder. If that one gets trashed the associated user would login to a new, default desktop void of any previous personal settings such as colors and background. Or just change the extension from .DAT to .MAN and see what happens after creating some new desktop icons and logging out.
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Ok good explanation, the reason I would say this (No- I dont think the planet only I thought of it, many might have the same misconception as me, other than the fans of PS series. Ok- for the sake of science spirit ok?) is because PC games (Whether if a Mac game/Linux or *NIX games or Windows Game), mainly sees your hardware first. (Most of time, if not all, the new version of Windows can work correctly with the previous one other than Vista. It seemed like even games also needed to be patched before it fully supports Vista, XP, 2000 (ME) and possibly 9X (Depending what game you play, 9X support might be removed from the game makers.) If your apps cant work on newer Windows but the previous one supports 100%, you may try the Compatibility Mode where you can chose to use 256 colors, run as Windows 95,98,2000 or ME under Windows XP Service Pack 2 or even run as administrator mode (Some games/apps require it under XP.) Can Linux does anything similar?? (Just want to know for the sake of Linux newbies.)
With emphasis on the word try. In my experience, whenever a program wouldn't run in XP, Compatibility Mode didn't help one bit. I did have a game once that would only install and run as Administrator - Spellforce. That was irritating...and the game wasn't that great, either.
As far as I know there is no equivalent Compatibility Mode in Linux, except to have multiple installations. The core of a Linux distro, is Linux itself, the kernel, and that, like anything else, can be upgraded anytime by the user. You can also have many kernels to choose from to boot into. You can also run any program as any user. From KDE, if you want to run Konqueror as root just click on Kmenu, Run Command... and type kdesu konqueror.
The only game I bought that was made for Linux was Quake3. I had found it in Electronics Boutique marked down to $10. It had a sticker on the front with instructions to make it work in Windows. At the time, though, I was still under Bill Gates' mind control. Installation couldn't be easier in Linux. Insert the cd, run the setup program, tell it where to copy files. And in Linux it's easy to have a games data files on disk so it doesn't have to read from the cd. All of my Doom, Quake and RtCW games run without a cd. I don't play much except those.
I use Slackware 12 on an Athlon 1.5GHz with 1GB SDRAM. I currently use KDE 3.5.8 but switch to Fluxbox quite often. As rkelsen point out, with "friendly" distros like Ubuntu, you just tell the package manager what you want and it goes and gets it for you along with everything else needed to make it work. Easy.
...A CD-R, DVD+-R is a WORM disc, once it is written, it cannot be written to again.
That's not strictly true, as you can use multi-session. The problem with a true WORM disc is they can normally only be read by same device used to write to them.
When I start to think about the win register... isn't it a huge .conf file where all programs dump their trash in? Damn that's bad massed up!
Logically, yes, but actually it's 4 separate files where programs dump their trash. It's 4 files: sam, security, software and system, totaling ~7MB in WINNT\SYSTEM32\CONFIG (with a backup conveniently in WINNT\repair) in a non-human-readable format so you need something like regedit to read and modify it. Even in regedit it's difficult to navigate. It takes a whole afternoon to manually remove all remaining entries relating to Norton Antivirus after a proper uninstall. That's with using the find feature and F7 to "find next".
If it were one human-readable .conf file it could be opened in a text editor, even from a LiveCD OS, for modification and repair, or copied to an external disk so it can be worked on from another computer.
Microsoft's philosophy has long been "security through obscurity." And for too long they've believed either (a)"Windows just works.", or (b)"We don't care about our customers' satisfaction as long as they keep giving us $$$ and our IP isn't at risk."
@dracolich:
OMG. How can they fsck up like that!? And it is not only a perception/opnion that they do not care about there customers it is actually their business practise that allowed them to get their monopoly: Give the devs what they want and they start developping for your platform. And because the devs get so much love from MS they make the software for Windows. That way customers can only buy Windows software. And when customers can only buy Windows software MS can drain their money from their customers. Locking is is their practise. And where ever they don't succeed they emprace, extent and extinguish. Linux breaks that circle and therefore MS can't destroy that competition.
(and honestly, the GUI isn't that great of a safety net)
By the way, what do you mean by "and honestly, the GUI isn't that great of a safety net" ? If so, how dangerous can GUI (Graphical User Interface)be other than modifing regedit (Registry Editor).
Sorry for the long delay on replying...I've been on vacation.
Basically what I meant by "the GUI isn't that great of a safety net" is that statistically, it doesn't matter if you're using the GUI or the CLI...a user with little knowledge can still mess things up (and actually they can accomplish it a little more easily with the GUI, if you think about it). I remember working on Windows 2000 Pro for the first time and seeing the "everyone" group listed as having full access to my C: drive. I thought "well, that's not secure" and promptly denied that group access to the C: drive (thinking that since I had explicitly allowed access for my user and administrators group, I should be fine). One reboot later, I was shocked to find out that the machine was jacked up. Thanks for playing...game over for Win2k (EDIT - Well, on the plus side I guess the machine was more secure after I did that hahaha).
I accomplished that via the GUI. Now, I guess I could do
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user@host ~ $ # THE FOLLOWING IS UNSAFE CODE...DO NOT RUN IT! YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!
user@host ~ $ cd / && sudo chmod -R 000 *
to accomplish the same on a Linux box, but doesn't that seem a bit tougher to accomplish than "click here, click there" to get my machine fscked up?
That's what I meant by "it's not a great safety net."
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Sorry for the long delay on replying...I've been on vacation.
Basically what I meant by "the GUI isn't that great of a safety net" is that statistically, it doesn't matter if you're using the GUI or the CLI...a user with little knowledge can still mess things up (and actually they can accomplish it a little more easily with the GUI, if you think about it). I remember working on Windows 2000 Pro for the first time and seeing the "everyone" group listed as having full access to my C: drive. I thought "well, that's not secure" and promptly denied that group access to the C: drive (thinking that since I had explicitly allowed access for my user and administrators group, I should be fine). One reboot later, I was shocked to find out that the machine was jacked up. Thanks for playing...game over for Win2k (EDIT - Well, on the plus side I guess the machine was more secure after I did that hahaha).
I accomplished that via the GUI. Now, I guess I could do
Code:
user@host ~ $ # THE FOLLOWING IS UNSAFE CODE...DO NOT RUN IT! YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!
user@host ~ $ cd / && sudo chmod -R 000 *
to accomplish the same on a Linux box, but doesn't that seem a bit tougher to accomplish than "click here, click there" to get my machine fscked up?
That's what I meant by "it's not a great safety net."
It's ok to be on holiday.Yep- GUI on Windows is unsafe (By giving every1 admin.) Sad to say, u nid to give all admin if u want to play games. (Some games need admin privillage. Or they dont run. Other apps might also need anything similar.) Also, everyone is likely to be included admins and systems, for some silly reason, I did disabled the system access to regedit and everything had to be reinstall too.
Ok- what's that code you provided means:
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user@host ~ $ # THE FOLLOWING IS UNSAFE CODE...DO NOT RUN IT! YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!
user@host ~ $ cd / && sudo chmod -R 000 *
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That's not strictly true, as you can use multi-session. The problem with a true WORM disc is they can normally only be read by same device used to write to them.
Thanks for telling me Jeebizz & {BBI}Nexus{BBI}. But it (WORM disc) is a poor choice since it normally only be read by same device used to write to them
When you next time upgrade your PC (Be it 10 years later or not, when your P2 is so old that it is decreasing its performance when you still do the same old thing. It's just like when a human is 15 years old, he/her physically is stronger than a 80 year old old person assuming both does not practice martial arts.), or when you change your drives, you cant read them again if the above user ({BBI}Nexus{BBI}) says is true. How to copy these data on WORM disc onto the new HDD?
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Yes, NTOSKRNL.EXE is what I meant. I was thinking of two different files at the same time. Yes, that's Windows' kernel. If it gets trashed you'll boot straight into a BSOD. It's good that it scanned clean.
Another less destructive example would be NTUSER.DAT under a user's folder. If that one gets trashed the associated user would login to a new, default desktop void of any previous personal settings such as colors and background. Or just change the extension from .DAT to .MAN and see what happens after creating some new desktop icons and logging out.
With emphasis on the word try. In my experience, whenever a program wouldn't run in XP, Compatibility Mode didn't help one bit. I did have a game once that would only install and run as Administrator - Spellforce. That was irritating...and the game wasn't that great, either.
As far as I know there is no equivalent Compatibility Mode in Linux, except to have multiple installations. The core of a Linux distro, is Linux itself, the kernel, and that, like anything else, can be upgraded anytime by the user. You can also have many kernels to choose from to boot into. You can also run any program as any user. From KDE, if you want to run Konqueror as root just click on Kmenu, Run Command... and type kdesu konqueror.
The only game I bought that was made for Linux was Quake3. I had found it in Electronics Boutique marked down to $10. It had a sticker on the front with instructions to make it work in Windows. At the time, though, I was still under Bill Gates' mind control. Installation couldn't be easier in Linux. Insert the cd, run the setup program, tell it where to copy files. And in Linux it's easy to have a games data files on disk so it doesn't have to read from the cd. All of my Doom, Quake and RtCW games run without a cd. I don't play much except those.
I use Slackware 12 on an Athlon 1.5GHz with 1GB SDRAM. I currently use KDE 3.5.8 but switch to Fluxbox quite often. As rkelsen point out, with "friendly" distros like Ubuntu, you just tell the package manager what you want and it goes and gets it for you along with everything else needed to make it work. Easy.
O, never try that.I only see/heard such function. So useless (WIndows Compatibility Mode)?? Ok- Linux needs multiple installation. Sad to say, I think this is not HDD friendly,especially with a 20G HDD. (Unless a same distro with same version number can booted into any number of kernels.)
BTW,what do you mean by Setup program? (.tar.gz,.rpm??)And you use double-click,accpet agreement and next to select destination or cd XXXX,..... on CLI (I dont know them, every time to install programs with .deb or .rpm which varies from distros, you cd XXX etc....., quite scaring for Linux beginners.)???
Thanks for replying.
Not everyone uses broadband internet. Using Package manager need to download them. Typically should be huge. A CD installation advantage is
to save downloading time when they only play Quest mode
(Mission mode etc as name differs between games, not MULTI-Player/Local-Area Network function Mode will do.)
...But it (WORM disc) is a poor choice since it normally only be read by same device used to write to them...
WORM technology is typically used by large organisations for archival purposes. The discs come in various sizes from 5.25 to 14 inches wide and formats from 140MB to more than 3GB per side (usually double-sided medium). Worm technology is being replaced by CD-R, DVD-R and HD-ROM.
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O, never try that.I only see/heard such function. So useless (WIndows Compatibility Mode)?? Ok- Linux needs multiple installation. Sad to say, I think this is not HDD friendly,especially with a 20G HDD. (Unless a same distro with same version number can booted into any number of kernels.)
Yes, one installation of a single distro can provide a menu upon boot to choose from as many kernels as you have installed. I keep at least two installed so I have something to fall back on if I make changes to my primary kernel and fudge it up.
What I meant by multiple installations is: Say you have a really old program that you can't do without. Your current distro is up-to-date and the old program depends on the older GCC and libs. You could attempt to setup multiple versions of GCC and libs on the same system keeping them located separately so that they don't conflict, or install an older version of the same distro onto a spare partition or in a virtual machine.
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BTW,what do you mean by Setup program? (.tar.gz,.rpm??)And you use double-click,accpet agreement and next to select destination or cd XXXX,..... on CLI (I dont know them, every time to install programs with .deb or .rpm which varies from distros, you cd XXX etc....., quite scaring for Linux beginners.)???
Thanks for replying.
Not everyone uses broadband internet. Using Package manager need to download them. Typically should be huge. A CD installation advantage is
to save downloading time when they only play Quest mode
(Mission mode etc as name differs between games, not MULTI-Player/Local-Area Network function Mode will do.)
For the Quake3 that I mentioned it was quite easy, even considering that I was still a Linux newbie at the time. It had a sheet of instructions which helped. Using KDE, I simply opened Konqueror, navigated to where the cd is mounted. (In Slackware I had to mount cds manually. I still do now only by choice. Many current distros don't have to.) There was a Setup.sh or Install.sh, I forget the filename now, but I just clicked on it and the graphical setup wizard popped up. I chose the install location and clicked the button to start. That was it.
I know some people that still use dial-up. I just consulted one recently about updating antivirus software. Norton is such a hog and with dial-up it's taking her 2hrs to download the updates. When using a package manager just pay attention to the sizes of individual components in the update. Small things might be easy enough. For the bigger stuff try to download them from a place that has a high speed connection, save them to a usb disk and install them manually. A click on the filename from a file manager window should do it. Whether you like the commandline or not it's a good idea to at least learn the package management commands - rpm, deb or whatever your distro uses.
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Yes, one installation of a single distro can provide a menu upon boot to choose from as many kernels as you have installed. I keep at least two installed so I have something to fall back on if I make changes to my primary kernel and fudge it up.
What I meant by multiple installations is: Say you have a really old program that you can't do without. Your current distro is up-to-date and the old program depends on the older GCC and libs. You could attempt to setup multiple versions of GCC and libs on the same system keeping them located separately so that they don't conflict, or install an older version of the same distro onto a spare partition or in a virtual machine.
For the Quake3 that I mentioned it was quite easy, even considering that I was still a Linux newbie at the time. It had a sheet of instructions which helped. Using KDE, I simply opened Konqueror, navigated to where the cd is mounted. (In Slackware I had to mount cds manually. I still do now only by choice. Many current distros don't have to.) There was a Setup.sh or Install.sh, I forget the filename now, but I just clicked on it and the graphical setup wizard popped up. I chose the install location and clicked the button to start. That was it.
I know some people that still use dial-up. I just consulted one recently about updating antivirus software. Norton is such a hog and with dial-up it's taking her 2hrs to download the updates. When using a package manager just pay attention to the sizes of individual components in the update. Small things might be easy enough. For the bigger stuff try to download them from a place that has a high speed connection, save them to a usb disk and install them manually. A click on the filename from a file manager window should do it. Whether you like the commandline or not it's a good idea to at least learn the package management commands - rpm, deb or whatever your distro uses.
Thanks for replying once again, well the reason I asked was because the word "easy" had different meaning to different people, with different levels of skills in PCs (Computing.).
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At the time, though, I was still under Bill Gates' mind control. Installation couldn't be easier in Linux. Insert the cd, run the setup program, tell it where to copy files. And in Linux it's easy to have a games data files on disk so it doesn't have to read from the cd. All of my Doom, Quake and RtCW games run without a cd. I don't play much except those.
