Microsoft stating the obvious

acid_kewpie · 07-17-2002, 01:51 AM

without starting another boring anti M$ thread... going from this story where Seve Ballmer finally admits Linux IS cheaper all round, they changed a page on their site to compare winows features against linux...

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Win2k

Comprehensive application support Windows 2000 delivers native support for Active Server Pages (ASP), giving direct access to the IIS transaction engine kernel. Furthermore, server appliances built with Windows 2000 also provide out-of-the-box support for ASP .NET, a rich and very robust framework for creating ASP application code. ASP .NET is a compiled .NET-enabled environment, offering developers the ability to build enterprise-class Web applications in any .NET compatible language including Visual Basic, C#, and JScript.

Linux

Linux offers support for ASP but it is non-native and requires an add-on program to Apache or some other Web server deployed on Linux. This means incremental engineering and development effort by the OEM, further impacting cost of development and time-to-market. Linux does not support ASP .NET.

wow, unsuprisingly Linux doesn't have great support for Microsoft development platforms. sounds like the phrase "No shit, Sherlock" comes into play.

MasterC · 07-17-2002, 08:16 AM

When I try to talk people into switching, the question that makes me the most pissed off is "will I still be able to use my Norton SystemWorks?". I know that not everyone knows stuff about linux, but I at least would like to think that it's pretty obvious that a different OS wouldn't normally support your proprietary OS software. If I buy a MAC, I wouldn't expect to be able to run freakin MotoCross Madness made for Win95/98/ME/2000/XP... Why do they try to establish the greatness of Winbloze by saying it will run software that was made for it? That's like saying "without installing a highly sophisticated program, and knowing how to build your own OS, you won't be able to run xine on windows, what a piece of crap". No, the Linux community (I think) doesn't say crap like that. They speak of stability, learning the hardware, price, programming, broadening their horizons, and venturing out into the not-so well known. "I hate my stupid tape player, it won't play my CD's. What a piece of junk." This kind of stuff just makes no sense to me and really, really torques me.

I didn't read the article just the two lines you quoted, so hopefully this all wasn't said somewhere in the article.

Cool

Mara · 07-18-2002, 01:17 PM

AFAIK it's from a long, long table from MS comparing Windows and Linux. It's all like that.

shoot2kill · 07-19-2002, 01:08 PM

Bill Gates: 'My computer crashes too'

tundra · 07-20-2002, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by MasterC
When I try to talk people into switching, the question that makes me the most pissed off...

actually if you want to promote linux, i think you shouldn't get pissed off. that turns people away. people don't ask you that question to piss you off. they ask it because of a lack of knowledge in that area.

relax.

MasterC · 07-20-2002, 03:14 AM

I know, I don't mean outwardly pissed off, just in my mind. I don't display a resentful attitude about it. No actually I tell them that there are other options than MSOffice, or whatever the program is. I don't like beat em up cause they are mindless goats, although that might help... just kidding. Most of the time, I can best grab someones attention by showing them the plethora of applications available from a FREE distro. Still haven't been able to actually install it on anyones PC yet though. But I will keep trying.

lynch · 07-20-2002, 05:16 AM

I hear you,MasterC:
A person I know bought an IMac and tried to return it because it wouldnt play her windows-based "Who wants to be a Millionaire"game.

lynch

MasterC · 07-20-2002, 05:24 AM

ha ha ha ha!!! I guess there are just somethings that aren't as obvious as I would think they are. I am guessing I was like that before I learned a pinch or 2 about computers/linux.

Mara · 07-20-2002, 11:44 AM

It's not rare... There're more such people than those coding etc. It means Linux has a chance to become popular for home use only when a distro is released that does not need ANY knowledge to install (insert cd, boot, next, next ...) and will run all Windows programs.
Yes, I know it does not look good...

acid_kewpie · 07-20-2002, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by lynch
I hear you,MasterC:
A person I know bought an IMac and tried to return it because it wouldnt play her windows-based "Who wants to be a Millionaire"game.
lynch

well people on this very site frequently ask why they can't run windows programs under linux. a guy a couple of days ago thinking his linux system was screwed because any program he compiled on linux didn't work under windows. duhh....

Thymox · 07-20-2002, 08:09 PM

Never overestimate the intelligence of the general public. Never underestimate their idiocy, either.

Oh, and I like the bit about tape players, MasterC! It pretty much sums it all up, really, doesn't it?

tundra · 07-20-2002, 10:31 PM

... i see the elitist attitude of linux people has not dissipated... so much for hoping.

lynch · 07-21-2002, 04:01 AM

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Originally posted by tundra
... i see the elitist attitude of linux people has not dissipated... so much for hoping.

I have been reading this thread as a good-hearted bashing of computer idiots in general,not as another elitist thread from the Linux camp(is there a camp?)

lynch

acid_kewpie · 07-21-2002, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tundra
... i see the elitist attitude of linux people has not dissipated... so much for hoping.

no, that's certainly not true of this thread. I posted that original quote just because of the bizarre and stupid way Microsoft are trying to promote their own product over others... and any general attitude is part of everyone i think, in whatever field it is.

acid_kewpie · 07-21-2002, 05:16 PM

oh god that's asking for trouble isn't it... don't... just don't...