Hello,
As I am coming from Windows, I really appreciate that KDE exists.

The gnome apps are mostly non-finished and lack of customization.

So, as Linus, KDE ?
or Gnome ?

Regards


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Why you prefer gnome, gnome can be crashing is more possible and gives you less of Linux.

meh, they both run slow and don't look as good as e17

This has been thoroughly discussed. Please try a search of the forums... something along the lines of "gnome vs kde" will turn up a lot of results.

GNOME is good
KDE is good

It's all a matter of personal preference.

Gnome for me. Mostly because I started with Redhat back in the days and as far as I remember it used Gnome as default. So I am more used to it. I also prefer most Gnome/GTK applications (Gimp, Gaim, Totem), except maybe for Amarok and K3b. Still, I can live (happy) with Rhythmbox.

KDE indeed gives the user more flexibility than Gnome. Anyone can make KDE to look (and behave) as Windows, BeOS or even CDE. If the user has use for all of this is a totally different question (I, for one, don't).

Anyway, I'd like to hear exactly what you mean by "gnome apps are mostly non-finished and lack of customization.", giving us some examples...

Subjective drivel.

Use both for awhile, stick with the one that serves you better. Try other lighter environments too, like Enlightenment, Fluxbox or XFCE

command line FTW!!! XD

fluxbox for me. kde and gnome have WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much crap, i wouldnt be suprised if they had a kitchen sink app, for washing virtual dishes, that dont even exist.

I like KDE's options. Man, it is very customisable... very good. But the menus, dialogues and toolbars are very cluttery, and one wrong click can detach/move/whatever the toolbars, and then I feel that everything is annoyingly different, and I can't remember how they used to be. Plus, things aren't very visually attractive to be honest.

I like gnome's tidy feeling, but I hate the gnome developers' "features = bad" mentality, and the way some gnome things are very limited/cripped. Some examples are gnome-screensaver, the GTK save/open dialogue, the fact that for a long time you couldn't specify your own color scheme (and now you can, but the features for doing so are still very limited compared to the KDE or MS windows counterparts). And gnome-panel is a horrible glitchy piece of crap. Sorry for my harsh language but I've had it mess up and loose all my settings too many times now.
At least it looks pretty visually attractive.

You could use something else, like icewm + some file manager, or etc... but this is not a true desktop experience and is very minimalist and limited. When you set up a linux desktop like this, the true messiness of linux is exposed to you. It feels like a jigsaw made of pieces from several different sets stuck together with glue and tape. This is only any good if you have a slow and old computer... but there's no point if you have a computer from after 2001, or you actually like this kind of experience.

I use Gnome.

can try using blackbox , flushbox(from what i heard) , icewm and the like ... and with your own chosen filemanager(but you wont be too "far off" anyway) ...

these things are for people who dont want to waste their time looking at others desktops ...

but have to mention that you will also find yourself tirelessly(although in a somewhat on and off on-going thing to do) seaching for gadgets for metering of all sorts of things -- like network and process ... and this on-going seach will makes you feel like you are not actually loosing touch with the latest and the greatest but you still need to beware of that if this somehow goes wrong on you ...

btw ... i suspect that this way of using your linux will actually drives you into a state of "not using windows anymore" ... probably you have spent too much time in using things that i have suggested earlier in this passage ...



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You can configure absolutely everything in both of them, so this thread is absurd. Why everything? Because you can get the source code. If you don't like modifying it, you can still change very much in both of them, and I'm sure you can't tell which one is more customizable. With the GConf editor you can change pretty much anything you like on Gnome. Not sure if KDE has one of those

Both are big, both are difficult (read: too much time-consuming) to customize from top till bottom, and both are just as good as you think they are.

I hate to say this, because I usually try to think people just have their own opinions, but this subject tells me you're one of those who should do something with a rope.

Also KDE and Gnome are not meant to be identical; they both aim at working like standards say, they both try to offer you everything you need. I'd say that users with some skills don't use either one of them. Read the docs and you'll get why you're talking bullshit.

Time to go to war, a FlameWar!!!!
Comrades, charge!!!!

if i dont make it, tell my mother i love her.

OVER THE TOP, LADS! FLUXBOXXXXXX!

ok ... charge where ... ^_^

seriously ...

i remember i fell asleep on a public bus in china back then ... "faintly" hearing the bus conductor kept on calling "comrades ... comrades ... comrades ..." but i fuck-care him until the man that sat beside me woke me up ...

a bit surprising ... he was actually adressing me as a comrade ... do i really looked like a chinese ?? ... but at least i'm obviously not belonging to the "own self's province" like them but veeeeeeeeeeery glad that they at least "respect" me a bit unlike the way they look at other poor souls ... ^_^

probably many of the chinese are really really all the same right now ... too many spare hearts to throw around for fun and for self amusements ... ^_^



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oh joy, another useless desktop preference thread.

Xfce. Mix between KDE and GNOME; simple, light, gives options when you look for them.

And it's not ugly as sin like Fluxbox. Heck, Fluxbox doesn't even work for me. It makes me want to go bury anyone who says "Yeah, Flux for the win!".

That said, favourite WM is definately IceWM. Sure, Compiz/Beryl/whatever have all these cool effects... But IceWM was always there for me.