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Old 09-01-2013, 01:46 PM   #76
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I've listened to the news and the US is to going to strike Syria, they're just waiting for approval. There's no doubt, it is going down soon.
 
Old 09-01-2013, 01:51 PM   #77
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It might be the US alone, the UK hasn't yet(?) decided to go along. The French also called for intervention but it is highly unlikely they or any other European country will get involved.
 
Old 09-01-2013, 02:03 PM   #78
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It might be the US alone, the UK hasn't yet(?) decided to go along. The French also called for intervention but it is highly unlikely they or any other European country will get involved.
They probably don''t want to get involed because they know Syria will retaliate against anyone who strikes them. And Obama looks like he's itching for the approval to happen.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 11:27 PM   #79
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If you live by the sword, you'll die from the sword. In other words for these people as examples. Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin laden lived by violence and they died by violence.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 11:35 PM   #80
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If you live by the sword, you'll die from the sword. In other words for these people as examples. Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin laden lived by violence and they died by violence.
In hoop, they say, "Live by the jumper, die by the jumper."
 
Old 09-03-2013, 06:17 AM   #81
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If you live by the sword, you'll die from the sword. In other words for these people as examples. Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin laden lived by violence and they died by violence.
Those examples are not convincing.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 08:04 AM   #82
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If you live by the sword, you'll die from the sword. In other words for these people as examples. Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin laden lived by violence and they died by violence.
Measuring by the number of people killed by their armies, Mao and Stalin were first and third on the all time list of "lived by the sword" but neither died by violence.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 11:31 AM   #83
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Be that as it may, it will be worth billions of dollars a day for the military industrialists, who will of course "properly compensate" the public officials involved for their dutiful services.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 12:17 PM   #84
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Be that as it may, it will be worth billions of dollars a day for the military industrialists
I'm sure you want to ignore all the anti business things done by the most anti capitalist President in US history.

Most others who share Obama's anti capitalist philosophy support Obama's accounting fiction that our bombing of Libya, lasting over seven months, and using more ordinance than we used in Iraq, all cost only a few billion total.

Yet somehow when Obama wants to bomb Syria, it must be because he obeys the whims of those evil capitalists. The total cost will certainly be represented to the American people as just a few billion, like the bombing of Libya, but those evil capitalists will somehow profit each day by a larger amount than the government accounting says they will spend for the entire operation.

Obama is not listening to any capitalists (evil or not) on any issue, especially not on the decision to kill thousands of Syrian civilians with bombs to "punish" Assad (who doesn't care about the deaths of his supporters) for killing hundreds (maybe) of civilian supporters of the Sunni rebels with a chemical attack that apparently happened without Assad's knowledge, if it even happened at all.

If you oppose this bombing, please have the sense to focus on the decision maker and on his actual reasons for the decision. Don't "punish" Obama's bad decision by blaming it on his domestic opponents.

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Old 09-03-2013, 04:02 PM   #85
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Those examples are not convincing.
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Measuring by the number of people killed by their armies, Mao and Stalin were first and third on the all time list of "lived by the sword" but neither died by violence.
I was just using a parable from Wikipedia ( First paragraph )

I'm not a history buff so I only used those people because they lived by doing harm to people.

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Old 09-03-2013, 04:40 PM   #86
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... Don't "punish" Obama's bad decision by blaming it on his domestic opponents.
The Commander-in-Chief is, militarily speaking, "exactly that." (Ditto in the other role of Chief Executive.) Or, as his predecessors variously put it: "The Decider."

Barak Obama will receive just as many hundreds(!) of millions of dollars under-the-table from this as will any of the (very small handful of ...) Members of Congress who hold the necessary "Security Clearances" to allow them to actually know what the hell is going on. These Members, by the way, are both Republicans and Democrats. (The rest of them (about 545 of them ...) don't actually have the slightest idea what they are voting for or against. "Just lie back, spread your legs, and think of England.")

Surf over to http://www.militaryindustrialcomplex.com. This site shows only the public contracts issued only by the Department of Defense. Nevertheless, they routinely range from $4 to $50 Billion Dollars a Day, in new contracts. (So, all of these spending authorizations accumulate ...) Are you seriously puzzled, now, as to where those "spinning numbers" on the US National Debt Clock come from?? (Hint: "it ain't from road-paving projects ...")

Now, poke around, however slightly, for some opposing views. Start with the site that I previously cited, which includes the very prophetic words of the Five (hint: you can't earn Six) Star General and President, Dwight D. Eisenhower. This is the man who coined the phrase, "Military Industrial Complex."

Next, let's hear from a man from the early 20th Century: Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC. This man rose through every commissioned rank of the Corps, from 2nd Lieutenant to Major General, earning two Congressional Medals of Honor and the Distinguished Service Medal along the way. And what did he, finally, have to say for it? Look at this fine YouTube video, or, if you prefer, http://www.warisaracket.org.

There are, and there always have been, forces at work which are "very in-favor of War" which (a) are contrary to "legitimate military purposes," and (b) $$Very$$ $$Influential$$ need-I-say-more. (Hint: "No.")

These $$forces$$ "frankly, my dear, don't give a damn" about anything but the very simple fact that a nation can be cajoled into spending Any Amount Of Money by this means.

This URL, http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.asp, probably sums the whole thing up most damningly of all:
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Originally Posted by Hermann Goering:

"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war, when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Are you honestly so naive that you imagine that "this sort of thing has never happened before?" That, in this regard at least, "The United States of America is special?!"

while(1) {
History. R-E-P-E-A-T-S. Itself.
}

You have totally "bought the easily-proferred line" that "the Congress is in opposition to the President," and/or that "Republicans are in opposition to Democrats." Fact is, all of these people earn more money in eleven seconds than you will earn during your entire lifetime, and, as soon as this Another War goes through, they will earn Even More.

And, as for you? "WTF ... Let Them Eat Cake. And, why not, Blog about it on their pathetic Forums."

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Old 09-03-2013, 06:27 PM   #87
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You have totally "bought the easily-proferred line" that "the Congress is in opposition to the President," and/or that "Republicans are in opposition to Democrats." Fact is, all of these people earn more money in eleven seconds than you will earn during your entire lifetime, and, as soon as this Another War goes through, they will earn Even More.
Actually this is appearing to be quite bipartisan but we will only really know when the vote happens.
 
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It definitely is bi-partisan. These people have no skin in the game ... no sons, no daughters in harm's way ... and they know that the US Government will increase its (deficit, of course ...) spending by many hundreds of billions of dollars a day because of it. If the "legislative enablement fee" is, let's say, just a measly 2.5%, well, you do the math. What's 2.5% of $250 Billion Dollars, to be divided among about 650 recipients, "per day, and forever?"

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"How much money are you going to make in your entire life? Cool. Oh, that's just so sweet. Well, I make that in about eleven seconds, around the clock. Furthermore, the source of All That Money is a Profound Military Secret. Not only do I have 'plausible denial,' but anyone who actually knows about it and says anything will go to prison for 120 years. Neat, huh? Now, go eat some cake somewhere, willya?" *Burp!*
The United States is still fighting both the Vietnam War and the Korean War, at least insofar as the military industrialists are concerned, and they always will continue to do so, even as they add "program" after "program" to the mix. Iraq, Afghanistan, Rhodesia, Iran, Nicaragua ... what? You say you haven't even heard of those places?

Heh. The exact number is "classified," as the exact number of military bases. Blab about how the money's being wasted, and you're locked-up for the rest of your (short) life.

"Sequestration," of course, was never intended as "Congress punishing itself." It was simply, "domestic spending cuts that can be out-of-the-news out-of-mind" ... and for what reason exactly? It's quite easy: to free up more public money for war, inc.

The "difference" between Republican and Democrat and Independent (sic ...) is strictly for show. A little salt for the "sideboob" that keeps the masses ignorantly entertained.
 
Old 09-04-2013, 01:50 PM   #89
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Democrats and Republicans will all be laughing together at the same AIPAC dinner after this is all over. Doesn't seem to matter that there are legal conspiracy FACTS (no theories here) that they've been manipulating policy and US elections. Snowden's so-called espionage is nothing compared to this: http://www.fas.org/irp/ops/ci/franklin0805.pdf

Yet there's been hardly a mention of this irrefutable, concrete, legal conspiracy proof, just like hardly anyone has heard of the peer-reviewed proof of thermite at ground zero on 9-11-2001.
 
Old 09-04-2013, 05:10 PM   #90
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I think it's going to happen, the senate will vote for Obama and the Republicans will vote for war.

I really wish it does not happen, civil war is just that. No one intervened in the US civil war. Let the Syrians have theirs. I'm sure back when the US had their Civil War either side would of used and did use any weapons available to them at the time.

Don't meddle in the affair of others.
 
  


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