I am not a geek/nerd/Linux compiling girl!

I spend most of my time at clubs/raves, with friends, dating, or shopping. I only get on the computer when I have nothing else to do.

But it is true.... guys in general do not like girls that are computer literate. I think it is because guys have this need to feel smarter and superior than girls, and being knowledgable in computers is a way to do it in todays day and age. Computer science and video games and just about anything electronic is considered a guy thing.

Oh well...... I guess you have to get credit for trying

Is there a need to clarify to Eits0???? Or is he in your list too? Looks like there are many competition going on here?

Not really. But I dont want people, even ones I do not know, to think of me as being any different of a person than I really am.

And no, he is not on my list. So you still have a chance

I think I am starting to understand what women want, exactly. It's sooooooooo simple...

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LOL, I am serious. I can't say that I know absolutely everything to the last letter, but it is quite simple. Here are some (in no particular order):

1. Honesty - You have to be honest. About everything, good and bad. Do not try to mislead or lie, if uncovered, you're toast (you'd be better off if you just told her beforehand).
2. Support & Understanding - Moral support. If she calls you up and starts "spilling her guts" (most guys get bored and their listening patterns become erratic after the first 10 minutes or so), she expects you to at least listen to what she has to say, even if you think it's the most annoting and boring shit in the world.
3. Strong Emotional attachment - Not just sex... She has to know you have strong feelings for her. When I say attachment, I mean very strong attachment (not just some odd-ball feelings you're unsure about). I have a controversial hypothesis that to a woman, purely sexual (non-emotional) contact (i.e. cheating) with another woman is less severe than the above with stronger emotions involved.
4. Parenting/"survival" skills - Can you handle yourself around children? Are you a good father? Can you support the future family? Are you a wuss, or can you make a stand for yourself and your partner/family?
5. Physical appearance - While not as important as in males (let's face it, we're just not curvy enough ), physical appearance is definitely a factor. I can't give more details on this, as currently my knowledge in this are is somewhat vague, however I do know that (obviously) the better you look, the better genes you have, hence the significance of this factor...
6. Sexual Attraction - Yes, you have to be sexually attracted to her. She'll love the fact that she drives you bonkers. I have a controversial hypothesis that occasionally this factor (possibly combined with factor 3 above) is used for control.

The above (incomplete, might I add) list is the approximation of the definition of the term "real man" that women use.

I also have interesting ideas about various traits... such as talkativeness... But I won't say another word until I see what the responces to this post are like.

Before you start flaming or making ridicule of me, think about it... You know how I got to this? By looking for possible applications of behavioural phenomena that I observed (or that are "common sense"). Then, I try to think like the observed subject... Try to understand her, what goes on in her mind, and make conclusions. I do not simply dismiss an emotional outburst (for example) as an irrational tantrum. I try to understand it instead. Once you do that, and gain some understanding, everything starts to fall into place, and when that happends... everything becomes quite simple.

For Psychology buffs (if any are here), yes, this is behaviouristic, somewhat, but don't dismiss it just because it's behaviourism. I still like the clarity of behaviourism above all else in Psychology.

Stephanie, I was hoping that by the end of the 20th century humanity would have learned something about gender stereotypes, violence, and other primal instincts. I was hoping that humanity would understand itself, and wise up. Unfortunately that is not the case.

Before I continue, please realize that I do not mean to offend anyone with this post, that this is simply my opinion, and that I am only exercising my right to free speech. Thanks!

According to my observations, at the core, we're nothing more than overgrown, superficially overdevolved apes that belong on trees. We may have an impressive brain cortex, but when it comes to the core of our brains (e.g. the lymbic system), we still have the primitive reflexes and impulses of an amoeba deep inside us. Now, this is not necessarily bad, as whether we like it or not, these basic instincts are a natural part of us, but what's dissappointing is that most of us do not recognize the fact, and what's even worse is that most of us do not control that part effectively. Think of a human being as a fancy supercomputer (e.g. the cortex) controlled by a primordial ape (e.g. the limbic system), because that's what it all boils down to, unfortunately.

Anyway, now to your reply... For the reasons above, people fear what they do not understand. Since most guys do not understand women, inherently there is fear. Fear of rejection. Fear of a messed up relationship. Fear of women. We're (guys) not even aware of it, but it's there, deep within our subconscious.

Girls that are computer literate are smart. It's bad enough they're so damn unpredictable! Therefore, the fear rises. Men realize that the chances of being effectively dumped for potentially unknown reasons are higher with smarted women.

I, personally, try to understand women, and since I manage to do so to some extent (I hope...), I do not have this fear, but I used to have it... that fear of the unknown. Several months ago I met a very attractive girl of about my age (early twenties) in my Psychology class. Somehow a discussion about computers and the Internet sprung out between us, and she mentioned that she set up a "UNIX box" with the help of her friend, to "share her cable Internet connection between her home computers" (I am quoting her words). I was in awe. Before that moment, I have not met a single woman, in any field, that was so tech-savvy. I was fascinated, intrigued and excited by her, and decided to get to know her better. What amazed me that she was not even in computer science. She majored in Psychology and Visual Art!!! Most Computer Science majors (women) that I met were not even interested in IT and CompSci, and only knew what they had to know to get the job done (some of them not even knowing enough to get the job done). There was no genuine interest in either subject, and that wa the cause of their poor performance at the job at hand (I talked to some of them and they said they constantly asked for help from their male colleagues). Anyway, the point to this is that to me, personally, it is very refreshing to find a woman who is computer savvy, and more importantly, show genuine interest in the subject.

Finally, I want to say that the last thing I want to do is to create and/or contribute to stereotypes. I do not believe in stereotyping (and that's the reason why I am skeptical about statistics, and use them as "guidelines" not hard data). Instead I believe that everyone is unique and should be treated as such. However, when it comes to understanding the human nature/mind, one can't obviously research every individual under the Sun, so one has to resort to statistics, approximations and descriptions that only apply to varying degrees to different individuals.

free speech... but a very long one...
hey i was just kidding around man, i wasn't tryin to knock you down. you don't have to try to explain EVERYTHING... lol!

oh yea... and what women want is a moving target. the minute you get it right, it changes. wise up dude

Ok, this has got WAY off topic, and has become pretty patronising, especially a certain two post rant that is just insulting, disclaimer or not.

if anyone objects, contact me, cragstar or jeremy and it'll get reviewed. till then i'm closing it.