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Personally I have never come across missing packages when using Debian Testing - and I use it all the time now. Agree with whats been said, if you're a new Linux or Debian user then use Debian Squeeze. If you have some experience then go with Wheezy/Sid.
It's rare but it does happen but mostly with 3rd party programs like Virtualbox needing a file in the Debian repositories and Debian removing it for some reason. If you don't use 3rd party software then you will never see the problem.
OK, I must be lucky as I run quite a bit of third-party stuff myself
Take libssl0.9.8, Virtualbox needs that library and won't install unless you have it or can be downloaded from Debian. Debian has it in Stable and Sid but not Wheezy. Sid also has libssl1.0.0 in the repositories so What is Debian planing to do.
me@sid:~ $ aptitude show virtualbox
Package: virtualbox
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Version: 4.1.14-dfsg-1
Priority: optional
Section: misc
Maintainer: Debian Virtualbox Team <pkg-virtualbox-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Architecture: amd64
Uncompressed Size: 45.2 M
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6), libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgsoap2, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libpython2.7
(>= 2.7), libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.11), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.6), libvncserver0, libx11-6,
libxcursor1 (> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), libxmu6, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), python (>= 2.5),
python-central (>= 0.6.11), adduser
Recommends: virtualbox-dkms (= 4.1.14-dfsg-1) | virtualbox-source (= 4.1.14-dfsg-1), virtualbox-qt (= 4.1.14-dfsg-1),
libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libqt4-opengl (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.5.3)
Suggests: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso, vde2
Conflicts: virtualbox-2.0, virtualbox-2.1, virtualbox-2.2, virtualbox-3.0
Breaks: virtualbox-ose (< 4.0.6-dfsg-1~)
Replaces: virtualbox-ose (< 4.0.6-dfsg-1~)
Description: x86 virtualization solution - base binaries
VirtualBox is a free x86 virtualization solution allowing a wide range of x86 operating systems such as Windows, DOS,
BSD or Linux to run on a Linux system.
This package provides the binaries for VirtualBox. Either the virtualbox-dkms or the virtualbox-source package is also
required in order to compile the kernel modules needed for virtualbox. A graphical user interface for VirtualBox is
provided by the package virtualbox-qt.
Homepage: http://www.virtualbox.org/
Last edited by descendant_command; 05-19-2012 at 11:49 PM.
Hmmm, im running VirtualBox on amd64 platform and never had that...
Edit: If i run aptitude show virtualbox I get that too but it still install and runs fine for me.
Yes, and me too, that's the point of posting it.
It depends on libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0), which is available (now at least, if it wasn't before I didn't notice).
In theory the vbox package should not get updated until it's dependencies are available.
In practice, for any number of reasons, this can happen from time to time.
This is why it is important to read and understand the output when upgrading things.
Distribution: Debian Sid AMD64, Raspbian Wheezy, various VMs
Posts: 7,680
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Quote:
Originally Posted by naoliveira
In Debian FAQ they explain why this happen, you could read it in here, in section 3.1.5 it explains in detail why this happen.
Actually that section does not describe what I was referring to.
I was referring to applications being completely missing in Testing. I think I know why it happens, but it still means that Testing is often the least "useable" of the three, at least if you want to use one of the missing applications.
Now I wish I'd taken note of the names...
or the netbase/ifupdown fiasco which resulted in being unable to install Testing the past couple of days.
if you lurk in the #debian irc channels at least once a day someone can't find a package in Wheezy, but it will be in stable and sid. The closer to freeze the more packages get removed.
I have ran sid for eight years and I know what I am doing, but i would never touch Testing.
Yes, and me too, that's the point of posting it.
It depends on libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0), which is available (now at least, if it wasn't before I didn't notice).
In theory the vbox package should not get updated until it's dependencies are available.
In practice, for any number of reasons, this can happen from time to time.
This is why it is important to read and understand the output when upgrading things.
Quite possibly but, are you going to sit there checking every package that needs to be updated?
I have 23 packages awaiting upgrade and I trust Debian to upgrade without any issues (usually - nothings perfect).
As for Stable/Testing/Unstable, the Debian FAQ author does state,
Quote:
This is a rather subjective issue. There is no perfect answer but only a "wise guess" could be made while deciding between unstable and testing. My personal order of preference is Stable, Unstable and Testing. The issue is like this:
If Testing is that bad then someone should file a bug report to fix the information in these pages,
Testing is not that bad, but as with unstable, users need to be prepared to fix problems and that may involve pulling in packages from unstable to resolve such an issue.
Actually that section does not describe what I was referring to.
I was referring to applications being completely missing in Testing. I think I know why it happens, but it still means that Testing is often the least "useable" of the three, at least if you want to use one of the missing applications.
Now I wish I'd taken note of the names...
You can ad Compiz to the list of missing in testing. Stable and Sid both have it but not Testing. The reason is a critical bug popped up after migrating to Testing so they removed it. Even Experimental is having major problems with Compiz.
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