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You can now vote for your favorite products of 2007. This is your chance to be heard! Voting ends February 21st.

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View Poll Results: Desktop Environment of the Year
KDE 727 52.08%
Gnome 498 35.67%
XFCE 160 11.46%
GNUstep 2 0.14%
rox 9 0.64%
Voters: 1396. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-09-2008, 06:59 AM   #46
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I switched to KDE this year... it's nice to have a desktop for techies again.

I was loyal to gnome for many years, but no longer. gnome = dumbed down

It's too fat, too buggy, and built for dummies. It's hard to imagine what else they can dumb down, but I'm sure they'll continue to do it.

gnome = are you sure? y
are you REALLY sure? Y
look retard, are you REALLY REALLY sure? YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
(window closes) ... did it take?
any specific examples of this behavior?
ever copy a file across the network using kde?
they both do the stupid 'are you sure' type dialogs and kde also has the 'uh, what did you want to do again' dialog

kde-control-center to be renamed kde-confusing-center
 
Old 01-10-2008, 01:14 AM   #47
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KDE rocks for ever. It allows me to do a lot without non-sense editing of registry like stuff.
  1. Changing the icon associated with a specific file type.
  2. Providing global shorcuts for various activities.
  3. There is no viable replacement for K3B and Amarok.
  4. Using KDE apps on gnome, makes them look out of place. But GTK+ apps look fine on KDE with gtk-qt engine. No replacement available for this on Gnome.
  5. Doesn't have apps depending indirectly on MS technologies (Mono).

Gnome's only advantage is that it gets supported and polished by big Linux guys (Ubuntu, Red Hat and Novell). They just don't polsh KDE that well on their distributions as they do for Gnome. Synaptic is the only app which is better on Gnome.

Waiting for KDE 4.

 
Old 01-10-2008, 03:28 PM   #48
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XFCE has my vote!

It's nice, simple, and isn't horribly bloated... (Depending on what distro you use, of course... Xubuntu's startin' to get a little chunky.)

A wonderful alternative to Gnome / KDE.
 
Old 01-11-2008, 04:16 PM   #49
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I switched to KDE this year... it's nice to have a desktop for techies again.

I was loyal to gnome for many years, but no longer. gnome = dumbed down
That is really odd. I have always found Gnome to be more technical. Less like Windows. However I did find something that gave me more faith in KDE. The copy of KDE that comes on the Yoper GNU/Linux Live CD is so much better then default KDE. It had all those irritating flashy effects and stuff turned off. I support and use both Gnome and KDE. Also I use XFCE.

Also what is this about people complaining about desktops being to bloated. I am running ancient hardware, almost all of it predating the year 2000. All the desktops work on it except for Gnome which uses a bit to much memory, though only a bit. None of the desktops seem bloated to me.

Last edited by Good Riddance 98; 01-11-2008 at 04:19 PM. Reason: Added content
 
Old 01-12-2008, 07:31 PM   #50
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The lines I quoted are from the developers themselves. The very creators of AfterStep and the others you mentioned call it a Window Manager.
AfterStep began life as just a window manager but has since evolved into a desktop environment. It contains all the things that make-up a DE: icons, window manager, panels, wallpapers, abilities like drag and drop, pager, terminal, task list and more. As a whole, the particularities of design and function of AfterStep endow it with a distinctive look and feel.

The same applies to FVWM-Crystal --not to be confused with FVWM.

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I agree that it is a fine line between DE and WM, but you are against the word of the developers saying that it is a "full blown desktop environment". Just because a Window Manager offers a run dialog and a few other utilities does not qualify as a DE.
AfterStep dates back to the days of XForms where there was no such thing as a DE, just a window manager running on top an X server. Since then many people refer to a DE as a WM--especially those who remember the days of XForms, like the AfterStep development team.

Moreover, FVWM-Crystal is an eye-candy desktop environment which utilizes FVWM as its window manager to manage its windows. But that's where the similarities end. FVWM-Crystal is a separate project--a DE project with FVWM as one of its components.

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Please take a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_Manager
Good definition of AfterStep's and FVWM-Crystal's windowing components.

This definition describes AfterStep and FVWM-Crystal quite well, although they are both much more than is described in this Wikipedia article.

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Cheers.

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Old 01-12-2008, 07:49 PM   #51
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"AfterStep is a window manager for the Unix X Window System"
Although it's still called a WM it actually is a desktop environment.

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"Window Maker is an X11 window manager originally designed to provide integration support for the GNUstep Desktop Environment"
Correct, it was originally designed to ..., and has retained its original name, but has since evolved into a full-featured, powerfull, highly configurable, stand-alone desktop environment.

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"FVWM is an extremely powerful ICCCM-compliant multiple virtual desktop window manager for the X Window system"
Yes it is, but I was suggesting FVWM-Crystal not FVWM.
 
Old 01-14-2008, 10:27 PM   #52
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XFce 4.4.1 is ripping fast on my Slackware boxes and FreeBSD. It gets my vote:-)
 
Old 01-15-2008, 03:02 PM   #53
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My vote is for Gnome. Just got to much used to it .
 
Old 01-15-2008, 09:16 PM   #54
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My vote is for Gnome. Just got to much used to it .
Exactly. Plus, it works just fine for me. I tried KDE and XFCE- didn't particularly care for either one. I'm used to Gnome, and I like it.

Cheers
 
Old 01-16-2008, 12:43 AM   #55
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Without question, XFCE.
 
Old 01-16-2008, 07:25 AM   #56
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I've been using Gnome since almost day one. Sure, I've played around with KDE's eye candy & cute little options & frills but it seems that when I want to get serious, I log out & head back into good ole Gnome. It does what I need, when I need it & how I need it with a minimum of fuss.

I dunno, I just feel a lot more comfortable in the Gnome environment.
 
Old 01-16-2008, 11:43 AM   #57
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Xfce is a Window Mananger. When ROX is included, Xfce becomes a Window and Desktop Mananger.
You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
Old 01-16-2008, 01:09 PM   #58
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Voted for Gnome as for the past 2 years does.I am a long time Gnome user and feels that simplicity is the best thing.I can work without caring for additional options which are 1000's in no.s as kde does.

Kde imho is just a bloated windows/mac look-a-like with qt libray.kde's most developments are done closed within trolltech though kdefanboys(notorious for bashing Gnome,just check this thread itself,how many Gnome users bashed kde and vice versa!may be an eye opener for u kdeboy!) will not agree with this.

also,I feel kde is used by more in Europe esp Germany etc and Brazil.and this forum may be having more members from those parts of the world.so obviously this poll will be won by kdeboys.

But,I have seen sane polls,esp Indian forums where Gnome leads by around 70% than kde.

I think we all should support Gnome for the cause that it is the chosen one especially as it is FOSS and supported by Free Software Foundation.

Regarding Usability:
I am using Debian Sid GNU/Linux with Gnome-2.20.3 as of now.I am satisfied with Gnome bundled by Debian.also Gnome is NOT a resource hog like Kde.infact here in this thread i read someone saying Kde run fast in a pc where Gnome is crawling! :lol: you are completely wrong.I had administered installations of these Desktops on slow pc's esp the ubuntu,Fedora spins with Gnome and kde separately and checked the resources.Kde demands more powerful PC.

Kde fails IMHO in terms of usability.Kde is for people who are not having any jobs,just want to tinker the useless "extra" configurations!

While Gnome lets u work on the PC without wasting time for those "extra" crap :evil:

Regarding Eyecandy:

By default Kde wins in eye candy dept.it is a direct rip-off of windows taskbar which is Kde's kicker.windows users finds home with kde.but the problem is,we are using GNU/Linux and NOT windows!so n00b linux users may be comfortable looking at the eyecandy and kicker.but..when it comes to usability,kde fails(kde3 esp).

Kde4 is really a feast of eye-candy!I tried the livecd and dont know how much memory does it eats,but for sure more time than kde3.x!also dolphin FM(nautilus lookalike!) looks promising!i hates this IE+win explorer like konqueror browser which also serves as FM with lots of glitches.so,dolphin fills the void!.

Still after Kde4 also,I and many feels better in Gnome!nautilus aint annoying as it is used to back in 2.4 versions!from Gnome-2.12 onwards, Gnome is slowly growing without much noises as kdeboys make!

Gnome DE and GTK2+ is the option for me!
 
Old 01-16-2008, 01:18 PM   #59
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^^^ Hello Prakash!

Its been GNOME here... KDE.. nothing new this year. Eagerly waiting for kde 4.0.
 
Old 01-16-2008, 01:23 PM   #60
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kde's most developments are done closed within trolltech though kdefanboys(notorious for bashing Gnome,just check this thread itself,how many Gnome users bashed kde and vice versa!may be an eye opener for u kdeboy!) will not agree with this.
I'll accept it if you give me a quantitative reliable proof.

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I think we all should support Gnome for the cause that it is the chosen one especially as it is FOSS and supported by Free Software Foundation.
Gnome? FOSS? Some of the killer apps in Gnome are dependent on Mono which in turn depends on .NET from MS, the major destroyer of FOSS. Qt is far more open.

Gnome in the name of simplicity lack some basic features. It doesn't have a decent tool which can handle file associations properly. Tell me how to change the icon associated with a particular file type without having to install some app which is not directly supported by Gnome.
 
  


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