I was a big Redhat/Fedora fan for a very long time and making the switch to a new distrib was very hard. I use mandrake for a while but that cooker crap never quite worked right. They say Mandrake is the "freshest" cutting edge linux but half the packages I needed were not ported. I tried Suse 9.1 and instantly fell in love. At first Yast was a bit of WTF and I installed apt for suse to do what I needed to do...after a while yast became my best friend once I got the right sources in there.

There could be many services starting at boot that you really do not need. You could speed this up considerably.





You could use a faster desktop and login manager.

You guys know that I have seen a lot of complaints about the Man(drake/driva) cooker issue, but I do not believe that I have seen anyone stand up for it. When it comes to YaST, people have slammed it, made accusations regarding it, but there is always someone out there that will come like a knight in shining armour to protect it. Are these statements regarding the cooker true?

A long time ago I used Mandrake, as it was called at the time, but the version was in the neighborhood of 7. I cannot remember any cooker at that time, and I was pretty new to linux, perhaps it was called something else. Anyway, in my opinion, at the time I found it a very appealing layout, over Red Hat. Well the color and all. Things are different for me now, SuSE 100%.

Just some thoughts from the voices ...

Just because something takes a while to load doesn't mean its bulky. At work we use OpenVMS. It takes a good 3-5 to load on a 8 cpu system but once its up you never need to restart it and it can handle tons of requests and users. Who cares if it takes 10 min to load? Once Linux is up it never goes down and thats the point. Thus making quick boot times pointless...

Good question abisko00.
I also see the "I hate Suse" posts and wonder about the motivation.
I used Suse 6.4 (the first version of Linux that really worked well for me) and liked both it and the original YAST.
While they were messing around between YAST(1) and YAST2 I kinda stayed away.
Although I bought the 7.1 Personal, I did not get back until 9.0. I did a 9.0 FTP and liked what I saw. I bought the 9.1 Professional. I may continue with the 9.3 version (although I am trying lots of distros on my upgraded PC).
There is a real point if someone wants to talk about, probably unnecessary, resource usage. YAST eats RAM for breakfast. Debian and Slackware will run great on a PC that YAST can not even install or run on, and we are talking console here.
Getting past that, Suse is easy to use with lots of useful software.
Personally (even after years of using Linux) I am still wondering were the sweet spot between self-configuring what I want and having what I want with no effort is. I continue to fool with Suse and Mandrake (Mandriva) on the one side and Debian and Slackware on the other, some others too.
The "I hate Suse" posts seem to be a mixture of "real frustrations (or misunderstandings)", "my opinion as fact", to downright questionable fire fanning. This is in contrast the the large number of posts one can find that want the "real Professional ISOs" rather the the FTP version.
Go figure.

But in fact 9.2 FTP-DVD iso came as near as possible to the "real" thing.
You could easily install everything missing with APT or with YaST.

It seems I forgot this possible reason why one could hate SUSE. And as you already pointed out: for no good reason. The way how they choose to distribute the free version. The fact that they do not make ISO downloads available for the full package seems to make people furious. But they oversee the advantage: Why should I spend hours and gigabytes of download-time to suck the growing collection of all available software, if I can install a custom selection directly from the FTP server? You might say because it is not portable to other computers without internet connection. Yes, but then just walk into the next shop and buy the CD's, instead of stealing your university's bandwidth (I guess a huge amount of people use this 'opportunity').

BTW: thanks for all your interesting posts. Unfortunetely this has been moved to a place where only SUSE infested people hang around, so not real SUSE-hater has joined the discussion. I guess we all have points to criticise on the different SUSE releses. I, for example, deeply dislike submount. I think it created more trouble than it helps. But this may make me to post a thread called "submount sucks". That would be unqualified enough.

if you want a real SuSE-hater ... you'll never know when you found one and if he is a hater he won't be using SuSE, so his opinions don't count at all

I think that more important are opinions of people who are using SuSE on daily basis to tell us what they like or not!

I agree! So I should make this a plea to all 'SUSE rant' posters:

Please, try to be more differentiated! If you have something to criticise, or you get mad by a problem you can't solve: don't start searching the cause in your distro. You might end-up there, but in most cases the bug is sitting 30 cm in front of your monitor. And if you really feel the need to troll-around, please do this in the 'General' section or direct your anger to SUSE (feedback@suse.com).

How would you compare 9.2 with 9.3.

I am considering an upgrade before I get too far along with this one.

Anyone know if 9.3 will be available for download.

Not all people hate SuSE Linux. Some love it like they do love to their lives. But my friend the world is like that. Every body has it's own point of view.

i personally and very strongly believe that it is as called " RENUNCIATION " , it means that when you become fed up of something because of it's same look , same level of charm, same old performance then you reject it with your own justified logic. Then a new Quest begins for a better one. And I guess that when you quest with dedication you succeed.

I have been using SuSe since last 3 and half years, contemprarorily, i kept looking a greater distro rather than SuSE, but all futile. In my remarks ,SuSE is the most advanced and long-standing Distro so far. But people who Dislike it may keep hating it till they try it.And those who don't try it they are so UNFORTUNATE CHAPs. I swear they are , REALLY they ARE ! ! !

i want to leave the message here to the people who hate SuSE. That if they are not using SuSE then they are missing the best.

I personally used to working on "Red Hat " & " Mandrake " respectively almost five years in past. So when i came accross so many shortcomings in Red hat then i switched over to Mandrake then i found SuSE much better than Mandrake in many respects then i switched over to SuSe.

So i sum up SuSE is the best Distro so far,

thanks


Have SuSE , Have Best Computing ! ! !

I must agree.

At some point you must stop fiddling with your computer and start actually using it. SuSE is a distro that will let you do that. The updates actually work.

There are a lot of good distros out there but you must choose the one you want to use or you'll be switching back and forth installing this and that not really giving each one a chance, getting frustrated over the small differences in each one instead of learning to actually use any of them.


Advancement is going too fast for anyone serious to keep up with. Use one version for a while instead of checking daily to see if you need a new version to install.

The great thing about linux is that you can find a distrobution to fit YOUR needs. Unlike Windows and OSX where "one size fits all" and you end up paying for something loaded with junk you may not even want.

With Linux you get the option to go as lean as you want, or as bulky as you want. And, if you still can't find exactly what you need - you can build it.

SuSE has it's good points and it's bad. But, don't they all?

I still use 9.2 and now that I have everything I need on it configured the way I want it... I really have no interest in installing 9.3, and I probably wont. My install runs just fine.

I think a large part of it is what we call in the military as inner service rivalry. The army picks on the marines who pick on the navy who pick on air force and so on and so on, but it's all in good fun. It's the same with linux. Slackware users think THEY have the best OS, FC think THEY have the best... SuSE users think theirs is the best. But, when it comes down to it - it is Linux.

Wait till some M$ or Apple user comes here and tries to stir something up. I'd bet you money that they'd get ganged up on, by FC users, Slackware users, suse users, and even the rare damnsmalllinux users... lol.

Other than that, some people just like to complain... their OS could run smooth as glass... do everything they could possibly want... and they'd still complain because it's to easy and doesn't offer enough of a challenge.

I'll probably keep 9.2 for a long time - until I NEED to upgrade.

9.3 will be available for d/load in a month or so.
I have only used 9.3 for a short time. I purchased the Upgrade and did a fresh install over 9.2.
I am impressed already. 35 minute install and it comes up looking slicker than a slick thing.
A lot of work obviously goes into polishing SUSE and it shows.

Thanks,

Maybe I'll give the upgrade a shot when it comes available. I did the 9.0 to 9.2 upgrade, but then I decided to go with the clean install.

Maybe I'll buy it.


Your right about the polishing. My old lady thought I bought a new computer when she saw my laptop sitting there with 9.2 on the screen. She still don't believe I 've had it for two years.