[SOLVED] How much space for a full install plus a few extras.

273 · 08-31-2013, 06:01 AM

I know this is a bit of an open-ended question but I am considering dual booting Debian and Slackware again (I have a long term plan to migrate to Slackware when I can wean myself off dependency-resolving package management). My Debian install is taking 27.6GB of the 60GB SSD I want to use for / -- that leaves, according to conky, 24.5GB free. Is a 20GB partition for / likely to be enough for a multilib install of Slackware plus about another 500MB of third-party software? My Debian install is quite bloated due to my having installed KDE, Gnome, Enlightenment and a good many other DEs and WMs as well as the XFCE I use so I can, if needed, shrink my Debian install but do I need to?

tronayne · 08-31-2013, 08:02 AM

For the a full install of Slackware, including KDE, you'll need about 10G of your 20G disk partition.

But (there's always a but) that means that you'll be using the rest of that 20G for installing whatever optional software you need plus whatever you're going to be doing in your home directory so plan accordingly (or mount partitions from a separate drive maybe?).

On my systems I mount /home, /opt, /usr/local, pgsql, mysql and a couple of others from either local partitions on the drive or a second drive (the data bases, for example, are typically on separate drives). My laptop is partitioned locally, my desktop and servers are multiple drives, but all follow the same partitioning scheme. I do that so I can do a clean install of a Slackware release without needing to copy everything off to some external media (just copy /etc to somewhere). As you step thorough the installation, you declare your partitions but just don't format them -- works like a charm.

Couple of examples: OpenOffice4 is 589M installed, GoogleEarth is 195M. Still a lot of room, but, as we all know, things grow out of hand after a while.

But, yeah, 20G+ is enough room to do useful work (for a while, anyway).

Hope this helps some.

273 · 08-31-2013, 08:09 AM

Thanks, that gives some perspective, so how big is your Slackware /?
I know about using other partitions, by the way, I'll be using some other disk for /home/ so it's just the Slackware install that will be on the SSD (for now at least but that's another topic for another day).
I would want both Libre Office and Google Earth as well as a few Second Life clients that will probably take up around 100MB each -- so I suppose that ups my approximation from around 500MB of additional to around 1GB.
Is that still feasible, with "wiggle room" in 20GB?

tronayne · 08-31-2013, 08:34 AM

I'm not kidding -- a full install of Slackware is under 10G (that's everything).

LibreOffice is about the same size as OpenOffice, GoogleEarth is under 200M (and, if you've got a 64-bit box, you can install the 64-bit version of GoogleEarth, finally, yay). I don't know what Second Life is all about, so can't help you there.

Now, 20G is going to be tight -- you don't want to load stuff up and leave it there for eternity (like the source packages for LibreOffice, GoolgeEarth and whatever else), but you'd have some wiggle room. Just keep in mind that a couple of hundred meg here, a couple of hundred meg there and pretty soon you're talking about some real gig: you wouldn't want to run in a 20G partition for long, but to try it out, hey, that's plenty to prove the proposition -- then migrate to, you know, a "real" drive (most of mine are 250G and most of that 250G is empty space): You know, a gig is 1,000 meg, right?

Code:

df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1        15G  9.5G  4.5G  69% /
/dev/sda10      173G  257M  164G   1% /var/lib/pgsql
/dev/sda3        19G  4.4G   14G  25% /home
/dev/sda5        19G  5.5G   12G  32% /usr/local
/dev/sda6        19G  3.4G   15G  20% /opt
/dev/sda7        19G  791M   17G   5% /var/lib/mysql
/dev/sda8        92G   45G   44G  51% /var/lib/virtual
/dev/sda9        92G   11G   77G  13% /spares
tmpfs           3.9G     0  3.9G   0% /dev/shm

That's one 250G disk (where the data bases are in flux and nowhere near the size they grow to over time). /var/lib/virtual has WinXP and Win7 installed for Patch Tuesday and maybe actual use once a quarter.

I don't use Multilib (everything is 64-bit), and I don't run any IDE's (but they aren't all the big either).

For a try-it-and-see system, yeah, 20G is enough to give you the idea (and it'll be bye-bye Debian fairly soon and you can just use the entire drive, eh?).

Don't forget to look for things at http://slackbuilds.org.

Hope this helps some.

273 · 08-31-2013, 08:41 AM

Thanks, I may just try it with 20GB though it sounds like I may need more? I know my Debian install ballooned once I started installing different DEs and the like though I'll likely stick with XFCE only for Slackware as I don't use any other DE.
I've plenty of HDD space lying around but, unfortunately, only 60GB of SSD:

Code:

df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdb1        55G   28G   25G  54% /
udev             10M     0   10M   0% /dev
tmpfs           1.6G   90M  1.5G   6% /run
tmpfs           5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
tmpfs           3.2G  2.1M  3.2G   1% /run/shm
/dev/sdf1        74G   17G   54G  24% /home
tmpfs           7.9G   28K  7.9G   1% /tmp
tmpfs           7.9G     0  7.9G   0% /var/tmp
/dev/md0        587G  229G  329G  42% /media/raid
/dev/sdg1       925G  693G  185G  79% /media/tera
/dev/sdh1       1.9T  961G  901G  52% /media/two

Jenni · 08-31-2013, 09:22 AM

Right now my 14.0 install takes up less than 20GB
It is a full 32-bit install, with:

Code:

These slackbuilds installed:
SDL_sound-1.0.3-i486-1_SBo.tgz
Ted-2.22-i486-1_SBo.tgz
alsa-plugins-1.0.26-i486-1_SBo.tgz
amrnb-7.0.0.2-i486-1_SBo.tgz
angband-v3.4.1-i486-3_SBo.tgz
audacity-2.0.3-i486-1_SBo.tgz
dosbox-0.74-i486-2_SBo.tgz
dropbox-2.0.5-x86-1_SBo.tgz
dvdauthor-0.7.1-i486-1_SBo.tgz
dvgrab-3.5-i486-1_SBo.tgz
faac-1.28-i486-2_SBo.tgz
faad2-2.7-i486-2_SBo.tgz
ffmpeg-0.11.1-i686_custom-2_SBo.tgz
fizmo-0.7.7-i486-1_SBo.tgz
frei0r-1.3-i486-2_SBo.tgz
gsm-1.0.13-i486-2_SBo.tgz
gtk-recordmydesktop-0.3.8-i486-1_SBo.tgz
inform-6.32.1-i486-1_SBo.tgz
jack-audio-connection-kit-0.121.3-i486-1_SBo.tgz
json-c-0.10-i486-2_SBo.tgz
kdenlive-0.9.2-i486-2_SBo.tgz
lame-3.99.5-i486-1_SBo.tgz
libavc1394-0.5.3-i486-2_SBo.tgz
libdv-1.0.0-i486-1_SBo.tgz
libgdiplus-2.10.9-i486-2_SBo.tgz
libiec61883-1.2.0-i486-2_SBo.tgz
libmp4v2-2.0.0-i486-1_SBo.tgz
libquicktime-1.2.4-i486-1_SBo.tgz
lua-5.1.5-i486-1_SBo.tgz
mlt-0.8.8-i486-2_SBo.tgz
mono-2.11.4-i486-1_SBo.tgz
moria-5.6-i486-1_SBo.tgz
nethack-3.4.3-i486-1_SBo.tgz
oggvideotools-0.8a-i486-1_SBo.tgz
orc-0.4.16-i486-1_SBo.tgz
pulseaudio-2.0-i486-1_SBo.tgz
pygame-1.7.1-i486-3_SBo.tgz
qemu-1.4.0-i486-1_SBo.tgz
qjackctl-0.3.9-i486-1_SBo.tgz
qjson-0.8.1-i486-1_SBo.tgz
qoauth-1.0.1-i486-1_SBo.tgz
recordmydesktop-0.3.8.1-i486-1_SBo.tgz
rogue-5.4.4-i486-1_SBo.tgz
schroedinger-1.0.11-i486-1_SBo.tgz
skype-4.1.0.20-i486-1_SBo.tgz
smpeg-r389-i486-1_SBo.tgz
speex-1.2rc1-i486-3_SBo.tgz
unrar-4.2.4-i486-1_SBo.tgz
wine-1.5.13-i486-1_SBo.tgz
wxPython-2.8.12.1-i486-1_SBo.tgz
x264-20120804-i486-1_SBo.tgz
xvidcore-1.3.2-i486-1_SBo.tgz
zork-20121202-noarch-1_SBo.tgz

Along with these games:

Cataclysm-DDA-0.6/
FD104Lin/
LiberalCrimeSquad/
Steamband\ 0.4.1f\ SRC/
YourSwimsuit-1.2-all/
adom/
berserk-0.8-bin/
brogue-1.7.2/
df2012/
doomrl-linux-i386-0997-lq/
dungeonminder/
imonster-0.1a/
libtcod-1.5.1/
nlarn-0.7.2/
ohrrpgce/
old_df/
omega/
rogue3.6/
rogue5.2/
stone_soup-0.12.1/

These disk images for VMs:

FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso
NetBSD-6.1-i386.iso
OpenBSD_cd53.iso
VectorLinux7.0-Live.iso
debian-hurd-2013-i386-DVD-1.iso
minix_R3.2.1-972156d.iso


and some other things that were installed from source, the contents of my Dropbox ditectory, projects of mine including some .ogv videos.

(Code tags added for the handy scroll bar, that list was rather long)

So, 20GB should be fine.

273 · 08-31-2013, 09:25 AM

Thank you. I'm beginning to think that the >25GB of Debian is just the kitchen-sink style of the package management. I am still very interested to hear of people with large installations and whether they're approaching 20GB.

ReaperX7 · 09-13-2013, 03:13 PM

I'm running multi-lib -Current and I barely have over 12GB used.

Slackware is small compared to many other distributions, but it only has what it really needs.

willysr · 09-24-2013, 09:04 PM

Slackware's full install is about 7-8 GB in total, but if you add some 3rd party packages, such as LibreOffice, multilib, etc, you will need more than that. I guess 20 GB is more than enough

273 · 09-25-2013, 01:17 AM

Thanks all. I reinstalled Debian the other day due to messing up my install so I've split the SSD in two and am dual-booting Slackware. Both distros currently fit easily within the ~25GB that gives them -- leading me to wonder what on earth I had installed under Debian to make it so huge.
I'll mark this as Solved and no doubt I'll be posting in the Slack forum once I get some time to look into compiling my own kernel and such.

cynwulf · 09-27-2013, 07:56 AM

With Debian any of the big DEs will pull in tons of dependencies - even if you turn off recommends it can still get quite bloated especially if you install via the meta packages. The 27.6GB you had in use originally does seem like a lot however.

bimboleum · 10-14-2013, 11:05 AM

Hey,
You will have plenty of room!

Here is (part of ) the output from df on my machine:-

Code:

Filesystem                               1K-blocks       Used  Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda3                                 10321208    8331668    1465252  86% /
/dev/sda1                                  1032088      48532     931128   5% /boot
/dev/mapper/vg0-tmp                       12385456      94848   11661592   1% /tmp
/dev/mapper/vg0-var                        2064208     149168    1810184   8% /var
/dev/mapper/vg0-local                     10321208    2270400    7526520  24% /usr/local
/dev/mapper/vg0-home                      20642428    1443408   18150444   8% /home
/dev/mapper/vg0-opt                       20642428     887948   18705904   5% /opt

This is a vanilla Slackware 14 installation on /dev/sda3 with VirtualBox and LibreOffice installed in /opt
which is in a separate (logical) volume.

cheers
pete

pete hilton
saruman@ruvolo-hilton.org

273 · 10-14-2013, 02:39 PM

Thanks, It seems enough at the moment, now I just have to install multilib and a few other things.
I've allowed more for my Debian install in the end (~20GB Slack, ~30GB Debian) but I don't foresee any space problems going by the posts here.