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Old 06-27-2021, 04:59 AM   #1
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Will Windows 11 and Slackware dual boot be possible?


If Windows 11 is going to force us to enable Secure Boot and have TPM 2.0 will dual booting with Slackware be possible? If I remember correctly Slackware doesn't have the required Microsoft certificates?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wind...specifications

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Old 06-27-2021, 05:10 AM   #2
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IMHO, isn't it a bit early to start worrying about that?
ATM there seem to be only speculations about that just-announced OS...
 
Old 06-27-2021, 05:14 AM   #3
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Yes it is premature, but you can't blame me for being curious .

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Old 06-27-2021, 07:32 AM   #4
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iirc, Secure Boot has to be available, but it doesn't need to be activated.
 
Old 06-27-2021, 08:16 AM   #5
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iirc, Secure Boot has to be available, but it doesn't need to be activated.
https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/..._11_processor/
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According to Microsoft's documentation, Windows 11 also requires the presence of a Trusted Platform Module (TPM) – version 2.0 – and UEFI Secure Boot enabled.
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Although the latest version of Windows 10 (21H1) will go all the way back to the fifth generation of Intel's chippery, Windows 11 is a good deal more choosy and starts at the eighth generation.
Micro$oft insists that we need to buy new systems.
I might make the decision to give up their Windows, there are enough Linux distributions for desktop.

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Old 06-27-2021, 09:06 AM   #6
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The Secure Boot today is NOT an issue for any major Linux distribution, excluding the Slackware. All other of them have the ability to boot on a Secure Boot enabled computer.

I believe that releasing Slackware 15.0 without signed bootloaders and kernels (then also Secure Boot support) will be a very huge mistake.

Because Slackware will exclude itself from a huge part of today computers.

BTW, I heard that to buy a signing key from Microsoft costs about $250 .

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Old 06-27-2021, 09:25 AM   #7
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The Secure Boot today is NOT an issue for any major Linux distribution, excluding the Slackware. All other of them have the ability to boot on a Secure Boot enabled computer.

I believe that releasing Slackware 15.0 without signed bootloaders and kernels (then also Secure Boot support) will be an very huge mistake.

Because Slackware will exclude itself from a huge part of today computers.

BTW, I heard that to buy a signing key from Microsoft costs about $250 .
The devil Micro$oft never gets tired of making money.
Couldn't they deliver these signing keys for free?
They want to control everything!
 
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Old 06-27-2021, 09:26 AM   #8
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sorry, if I want to run my own custom kernel on my own pc do I have to pay Microsoft $250?
 
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Old 06-27-2021, 09:27 AM   #9
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Micro$oft insists that we need to buy new systems.
Believe or not, looks like is compatible with Windows 11 even a box of mine with an Intel DH61DL motherboard (made on AD 2013) and an i3-3220T .

With a catch: Secure Boot enabled.

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Old 06-27-2021, 09:40 AM   #10
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The devil Micro$oft never gets tired of making money.
Couldn't they deliver these signing keys for free?
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sorry, if I want to run my own custom kernel on my own pc do I have to pay Microsoft $250?
Sorry, gentlemen! BUT, I do not talk about you and your custom kernels. I talk about Slackware and its ability to boot on a Secure Boot environment, along with Windows 11.

For you Gurus who love to customize your own kernels, there are solutions, IF you bother to look for.

I heard that there is even a Secure Boot SHIM, for example.

https://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootlo...l#initial_shim

Heck, looks like you can have even your own very private and self-generated MOKs!

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Old 06-27-2021, 09:52 AM   #11
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Nah I'm OK even without Secure Boot!
https://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootlo...l#initial_shim

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Old 06-27-2021, 09:59 AM   #12
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Nah I'm OK even without Secure Boot!
https://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootlo...l#initial_shim
You want to say that you are OK even WITH Secure Boot, using your own MOKs?
 
Old 06-27-2021, 10:00 AM   #13
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withOUT Secure Boot at all.

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Old 06-27-2021, 10:07 AM   #14
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How would this affect someone who booted Linux only (without secure boot) and wanted to run Windows 11 in virtualbox?
 
Old 06-27-2021, 10:08 AM   #15
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withOUT Secure Boot at all.
Good luck on keeping the Windows 11 alive without Secure Boot!
 
  


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