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I usually avoid posting about updates here because others tend to do it anyway and if I did it, it might look like spam.
I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I certainly wouldn't consider it spam to announce releases of Vivaldi on a thread dedicated to Vivaldi, whether or not it includes a link to your Slackware package.
If you are Vivaldi employee, why cant you list your Slackware package on the downloads page with the debs, rpms and exes?
Yes I could but it is not quite that simple. There are two issues here. First if I offer the Slackware package from the official download page, it becomes official and we have some commitment to then support it going forward. I am the only employee in the company running Slackware and certainly the only one who knows anything about Slackware packaging. If it was official it should be tested (and potentially fixed) before we go live with any release. How should this be handled if I am sick, on vacation or left Vivaldi (I am not planning to do the latter but you get the idea).
The second problem is that offering a download of a single file without some easily understood update method is far from ideal. It is especially important with browsers that you keep them up to date to ensure you are secure. A single file with no easy update mechanism does not handle that.
Normally I maintain the SBo package (at the moment this is not updated purely because we are in RC status for the new release but this is a rare occurrence since Slackware does not churn out new releases all the time). I think that SBo is better for most Slackware users as it is the main third party repository anyway. It is where users go to look for packages first and foremost and many (perhaps most?) also use tools like sbopkg to keep packages in sync and up to date. In addition I offer a script to automate finding and repackaging the latest version.
I think that Slackware users are better placed to use those options than trying to remember to load our site from time to time to look for a new build.
P.S. In case you did not know, the official rpm and deb packages we offer configure a repository for you in post install to help ensure that users using them are up to date. I could have attempted to do something like that in post install on Slackware, i.e. configure a slackpkg+ or slaptget repo but a lot of people do not use either of these. I suspect Sbo with something like sbopkg is far more common. It is also very un-Slackware to attempt to configure repositories for the user in post install. I know this community, I suspect if I did it I would get more complaints than thanks. To be honest I suspect few people would touch my packages again. So I still think SBo is probably the best option in this case to ensure people are up to date and is actually better than offering a native package from our website IMHO. I only do it now because SBo is frozen.
I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I certainly wouldn't consider it spam to announce releases of Vivaldi on a thread dedicated to Vivaldi, whether or not it includes a link to your Slackware package.
Yes I guess since I did not create this thread and it has continued independently of me it is not so bad. I just know that in some forums when an employee drops in out of the blue and says, "Hey guys check out my new software" it can go badly. But sure, in this case it is probably OK, which is why I did do it in the end. Also a serious security issue is somewhat of a special case.
I pretty much always have a repack in that location for my own usage (just adjust the version number). Alternatively, it is repacked with this script if you want/need to do it yourself.
P.S. As much as I like and appreciate people notifying others of updates to our browser, just a heads up, if anyone wants to know when new versions come out and what they include, you can subscribe to the following two RSS feeds:
Another Chromium security issue being exploited in the wild (there are actually 2 in Chr95 but we are following the 94 extended release cycle and security updates for the time being)
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@ruario,
Just for chuckles I am, at the moment, running windows 7 pro in VirtualBox. Using mickeysoft Edge I went over to whatismybrowser.com
and it reports the browser as "Edge 95."
As Edge is another chrome clone, as is Vivaldi, I was wondering if mickeysoft is using the power of their purse to be properly recognized by websites or have they reached some sort of "agreement" with google?
Just curious.
Last edited by cwizardone; 10-30-2021 at 01:30 PM.
Reason: Typo.
@ruario,
Just for chuckles I am, at the moment, running windows 7 pro in VirtualBox. Using mickeysoft Edge I went over to whatismybrowser.com
and it reports the browser as "Edge 95."
As Edge is another chrome clone, as is Vivaldi, I was wondering if mickeysoft is using the power of their purse to be properly recognized by websites or have they reached some sort of "agreement" with google?
Just curious.
Just tested here as well, vivaldi is reported as "Chrome 94 on Linux" + that it's out of date.
And yes, I am using Ruario's latest version
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Originally Posted by MDKDIO
Just tested here as well, vivaldi is reported as "Chrome 94 on Linux".........
Which is why I asked.
A year or two ago ruario posted, on the Vivaldi web site, an explanation of why they, Vivaldi, had to change their browser so it would report itself as Chrome. So, I'm wondering what mickeysoft is doing differently that allows Edge to report itself as "Edge" and function properly with various websites.
I'm already starting to see companies (well, at least one) require their associates to use Edge (and ms-windows). If you are not using Edge, you can't do business with them.
Last edited by cwizardone; 10-31-2021 at 08:30 AM.
Which is why I asked.
A year or two ago ruario posted, on the Vivaldi web site, an explanation of why they, Vivaldi, had to change their browser so it would report itself as Chrome. So, I'm wondering what mickeysoft is doing differently that allows Edge to report itself as "Edge" and function properly with various websites.
I'm already starting to see companies (well, at least one) require their associates to use Edge (and ms-windows). If you are not using Edge, you can't do business with them.
Ah ok, I see what you mean.
I'm guessing now, but I personally found this interesting enough, and most of all, it explains why Edge browser is reporting it self as, well Edge
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Originally Posted by cwizardone
01-12-21, 12:37
The computer crashed yesterday, so I was using my smart phone to check e-mail. Googlemail would not let me sign on using Vivaldi. I had to install Firefox. I'm sure Google would have preferred I used chrome.
The error message was something about Java not being enabled, but, upon checking the settings for Vivaldi, Java was enabled.
FWIW, I just had a similar experience using the latest desktop version of Vivaldi.
Googlemail would not let me sign on, period.
On the rirst try it came back with a warning that my browser was not secure, but if I was
using an "approved" browser I could try again. So I tried again, with the same
result. Google flat refuses to let Vivaldi be used with their mail server.
YMMV.
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