This thread rambled on for two months until it died. Why are you trying to rehash what has already been said a thousand times? Or did you not read anything in this thread prior to posting? No matter whether I agree with you or not, that is now completely beside the point. You tire me beyond belief.

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I hang my head and my heart is heavy with woe when I see the mention of the desire of money and corporate/personal profiteering and control creep into the doing of good things for progress of whatever it may be.

It takes a massive leap of faith, belief and great wisdom to try figure a world with no concept of money and with different values driving forward progress - something that must happen for the world (and all life on it) to ultimately survive and then improve matters for everyone the world over; just imagine at midnight that suddenly the concept of money was no more. Huge opportunities abound, unless we continue a world driven by selfish profiteering opportunists! A debate for another day (and forum) of course. By the way, it could be said that open-source community developments could be considered embryonic examples of this 'new world' taking place already.

So why make that point above (off a small soapbox so I do apologise). I respect and are pleased that there are capable people working to do new things for improving linux for us all.

The question around systemd ought to be, if the issue of selfish corporate/individual profiteering was not a factor (it might be a factor for some, but just imagine it is not), would systemd be assessed as a worthwhile improvement to adopt. Both systemd supporters and critics can come together to do the assessment. If done correctly, the outcome should be the best way forward.

If some ulterior motive other than for the scientific and resourceful good of us all is in play, well that is something to try weed out......without losing the good of the product to us all if it did measure up in the scrutiny.

I do waffle and I will one day hopefully find clarity in presenting my consideration. Any way, I do hope Slackware does not suffer something that is not for the greater good and as I've said, I would have to trust those who are more knowledgeable than me to take the right the decision.

Thank you for reading.

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systemd is filled with security holes and it is buggy. Bug reports are never honored.

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@badbetty: this is the Slackware forum. Your post would better fit in the General forum.
@pcninja: please read post #1051. Only parrots are expected to repeat endlessly something.

Then quit reading the thread! Good gawd man!

Another god complex rears its ugly head. Maybe you should pay this site to let you be a Slackware forums sheriff.

...said the guy with 31 posts that has been here for 2 months. Stay classy, man.

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You should look at Didier's support of Slackware prior to opening your piehole.

I'm all for people shoving their feet into their mouths up to the knee, but that's painful to watch.

Really? Whatever happened to "given enough eyes all bugs are shallow"? I'm afraid I disagree with you entirely on this point. It seems to me that even Linus stood on the shoulders of giants before he became one. Certainly there are such key people who have made fundamentally important contributions but once the technology is out and about, it is only a matter of time, especially now with the adoption rate and growth of computing as a whole (what? perhaps hundreds of millions of users? billions of dollars involved? etc etc etc ) before someone steps up. Necessity is the Mother of Invention... well. excepting Frank Zappa

Some people say "It wasn't Columbus who discovered America. It was the sailing vessel that did it" and I am not only inclined to agree but given the number of short term explorers we keep unearthing, it was the sailing vessel that made it desirable, feasible, and sustainable on any scale worthy of note. excepting of course the very first men who walked in from Siberia.

I truly don't know how you can dismiss the values and differences catalogued in The Cathedral and the Bazaar which surely is about community effort, not individuals and specifically not monopolistic corporations.

How much did Microsoft develop? They built their system by buying software and buying out competitors.

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in your somewhat not totally all facts respecting view you oversee that this role is already taken by google, or what init system or IPC do you think does android use?
so let this thread die, it deserves it, there has been enough half true stuff, nonsense, FUD and pointless discussion.

I'm not sure if you're implying that I am bias because I have stock? I don't.

As far as I am concerned it's simple.
That Red Hat would like more control over the eco system should not be news to anyone. Anybody who's ever managed anything needs to make commitments and to do so requires a level of control and influence.
That doesn't mean that the introduction of systemd necessitates that developers of other software (who are not employed by RH) need to drop support for the existing methods of doing things (such as login) in favour of only SystemD. Most likely, the developers use a distribution which already uses systemd so to test non-systemd functionality is extra work that they don't want to do, particularly when most of the Linux distributions already use systemd.
Companies and people have limited time to spend on things, so it becomes a case of priorities.

I think people just love a conspiracy theory and want someone or something to hate.

Oh, come on... be fair! Who do you think had to put all the bugs in?
* ba-bum-tish! *

Thankyou, thankyou, I'm here all week!

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Yet people fail to read that the Viking fleets under Lief Ericson rediscovered North America nearly 500 years prior to Columbus and Vespucci. But yes, nearly 25,000 years prior Tribesmen from Outer Mongolia and East Asia tracked the herds of game over the Aleutian Landbridge. People are quick to dismiss founding principles through ignorance and shortsighted claims.

Truths and lies are always convenient. All you need to do is deny the facts and you can do what amounts to selling an ice machine to an eskimo.

Curious... I wasn't even implying Didier had stock and certainly not you, since frankly I wasn't even singling anyone out.

Exactly. It is simple...so simple that nobody is arguing whether or not RedHat has incentive, and possibly even a business imperative, to do this. Everyone with any sense is merely concerned with what degree it will impact them. Some assume little or no impact. Some consider it could be devastating.


Again, I doubt anyone misunderstands how getting squeezed out works, or that there is good reason to behave that way once the balance beam tilts. That is exactly the problem. It is the rapid takeover for no good reason that frightens people. Faster boot times? BFD! How is that so compelling?


Well thank you for your brotherly love and condescension. That's all we needed was to have a quick dip in your cold shower to come to our senses and realize how trivial and tin-foil hatted this all is. <sarc>

The fear comes from the utterly unwarranted takeover that is underway at the behest of RedHat et al. The anger comes from people like you trivializing the concerns of those who expect to be hamstrung to some degree and mourn even the possibility that Open Source will be badly affected. I'm curious as to your benevolent concern for your fellows. Were you so magnanimous for the Japanese when they realized a tsunami was on the way?

To be absolutely clear I will speak only for myself. I don't hate RedHat even though in the interest of full disclosure, I admit some primitive urge to smack Lennart just to remove that punkass smug smile. I don't subscribe to the asinine notion that when "rape is inevitable to just enjoy it". . I'm pretty confident 9/11 wasn't an inside job and that despite the Magic Bullet, JFK was likely shot by a lone assassin, and I'm certain men have walked on the moon, there are exactly zero visiting extraterrestrials, no real Illuminati and the Earth is round. It isn't a conspiracy theory if it is actually happening and it is or we wouldn't even be having this discussion still and yet again. I have lived through more than one evaporation of a superior product by marginalization before and this is familiar territory to me.

You probably have as well but for some reason refuse to admit it, or if you do, simply don't care because you don't think the "goring" will extend itself to your "oxen". Meanwhile the Bazaar is being dismantled and a Cathedral with a parking lot is being erected in it's place.

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