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Old 08-01-2009, 06:06 PM   #1
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Slackware LiveCD where is it? Or why doesn't it exist??


OK
it's a good question...

Why no Slack LiveCD??

No talking about slax, etc

Slackware

If it doesn't exist...

What is need to make it exist??

thanks
 
Old 08-01-2009, 06:26 PM   #2
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It doesn't exist. Why? Ask Pat Volkerding, or wait
and get a lot of opinions here...
 
Old 08-01-2009, 06:39 PM   #3
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Well
I'm trying to make it now

I am using another live linux as base.
It's slack-based, but has some Debian too.

PartedMagic 4.4 has installpkg, makepkg, etc
and I was successful in adding slackpkg, pkgtool, and sbopkg

I am having some issues 'cause I'm not experienced enough to know
where everything is installed to, LOL

So far, I've got it up to about 150mb, aded flash10 + above slackpkg, etc
and everything pmagic had originally is still there
like clonezilla, etc

Not sure how to remove some of the original pkgs"

screenshots here; first 2 are pmagic, original and remastering in process to become Slack Live.
http://multidistro.com/shots/scrnshots.html

Somehow, someway
I got make it 100% slack...?

Any thoughts??
 
Old 08-01-2009, 06:45 PM   #4
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OK, I'm going to give you an opinion on why I think Slackware shouldn't have a Live-CD. Personal two cents.

Live-CDs should be as close to the installed system as possible. Ideally, like for example in Ubuntu, you boot the Live-CD and end up in a Gnome desktop that has the most common applications. When you click on the install icon, and the system is installed, you get more or less what you were seeing in the running Live-CD. Effectively, the Live-CD is able to show you how it would be to have Ubuntu running.

Slackware, being a very customizable distribution, cannot be properly demonstrated using a Live-CD, in my humble opinion. When Slackware is installed, it boots without a GUI, and in many aspects it has to be configured by hand and configuration files need to be edited and tweaked. Furthermore, while Slackware ships KDE as the main desktop environment, it's not centered around a specific desktop environment at all, like many distributions do. So if the Live-CD was going to boot directly to X and a desktop environment, it would need to let you choose or something like that. Not easy.

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Old 08-01-2009, 06:46 PM   #5
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If you're adding things such as Flash 10 and sbopkg that aren't in the
official Slackware distribution, how can it be a Slackware Live CD?

Guys have been trying to improve on Slackware since perhaps 1994,
and so far it hasn't been done successfully.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 06:52 PM   #6
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My fault
I should've clarified

I was only adding flash10, sbopkg, etc to test the compatibility with slack 12.2

from pmagic

Quote:
Pre-made Packages:
Parted Magic is not exactly Slackware based, but the main tool chain was compiled on Slackware. If you would like to add programs your best bet is to use TGZ packages from Slackware 12.x. You can also use DEB files, but Parted Magic doesn't make any attempt to resolve dependencies. Copy the packages to /pmagic/pmodules and Parted Magic installs the packages automatically at boot. If you are using the USB version the packages can be simply copied to /pmagic/pmodules. If you are using the LiveCD version you must remaster the iso file with the add packages. As of Parted Magic 4.x there is a spot in the "save session" routine that allows you to add packages to the CD that you used to boot Parted Magic.
so, I'm just tryting to get it going
as far as autox and wm's, that's not that hard really
 
Old 08-01-2009, 06:57 PM   #7
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I agree with both users before me.

Slackware is mostly about customization by hand, so there is no real "Slackware Generic" except for the prompt you get after installing, after that every single Slackware differs more or less depending on the tastes of the user itself...

some use KDE, others XFCE, there is an unofficial GNOME Slackware and those who dont want any X at all stay with their prompts, and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

When you install Slackware you get to chose from a lot of packages that are "doubled" as in vim and elvis, they are basically the same but some prefer the vim others prefer old vi, xine, mplayer and so on, you get the idea...

I guess Slackware is pure custom linux, and making a "generic Slackware" is not part of a Slackware mind.

But thats what I believe...
 
Old 08-01-2009, 07:48 PM   #8
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I will invert the question: Why *would* you like to have a Slackware LiveCD?

$0.01: To repair a box with Slackware installed?
You can use the standard DVD (or 1st CD) for this, or anything like "SystemRescueCD" etc.

$0.02: To give new users an idea of what Slackware is like?
I don't think showing a pre-configured LiveCD shows anything that gives "the Slackware experience". Newcomers to Linux can try one of various other LiveCDs (including Slax) to try-before-install.

Like rg3 said, there is no such thing as a "standard" Slackware installation. I have several boxes with Slackware installed - all different. Some with KDE, others with Xfce, others w/o X.
 
Old 08-02-2009, 02:17 AM   #9
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Like all things Slackware, if it doesn't exist do it yourself. Here is some help, after all it almost always has been done before. Slackware Live CD.

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Old 08-02-2009, 06:11 AM   #10
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No doubt

I had noticed the livecd and was checking it out last night

Whats hip is I think if you made your own personalized slack cd/usb that would be rad

Maybe a "Livecd creator" for slack that makes a custom spin and what not
 
Old 08-02-2009, 06:33 AM   #11
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It is really easy to make your own personalized Slackware install cd, I do it every release. Just use Alien Bob's mirror-slackware-current.sh with an excludes.txt file, and you will automatically have a personalized install cd. If you want to go a bit further just expand the initrd and you will see how the installer works from there it shouldn't be too difficult to add a /linus72 directory to the install. Making a live cd from that is just following the instructions from my previous post.

Please note I have only done the first step, though I did modify the initrd to make a cd that booted a non bios USB booting computer boot from an external USB HD. I haven't been bothered to make a live cd so I can't say if it is easy or not.

samac
 
Old 08-02-2009, 06:43 AM   #12
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OK
I appreciate all you guy's input

My real goal is more of slack liveusb
since everyone here has a usb and usb's are Hip!

That's why I chose pmagic as base
slackware based
runs from usb No issues
is small 90mb
is persistent
can add any slack pkg
Expanable
and now..Remasterable

check out screenie
added gnuchess and gftp(just to do it)

now, start adding others tuff

I keep haviing an issue getting GCC to work....

so, that's main purpose slack live
is usb
persistent
ability to install slack too

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Old 08-02-2009, 09:00 AM   #13
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Thumbs up

I personally have a Slax Usb with a menu entry for the Slackware setup, and an .img with the packages I generally need.

So your idea is basically the same. It is cool, but as we mentioned before, each Slackware is very personalized, so your version is very different than mine for sure!

So even though is a very good personal tool I dont think a "generic livecd or liveusb" would do it.

For that you can try Slax or Pmagic which are Slackware based.
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:56 AM   #14
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If you are still interested in this project of yours I guess this page would help you:

http://www.linux-live.org/

it is recommended to you slacware (which is what you want) but you can do it with any distro.
 
Old 08-09-2009, 10:04 AM   #15
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Actually, I've been using linux live scripts, etc for awhile

Remastering Pmagic into slacklive is not as easy as I thought

Slax, with it's dependencies so entrenched in KDE is not even a choice for me, KDE
is a Drag, on everything and I don't need the redundent apps.

PMagic is a great base to work from, if only I can figure out how to know a slackpkg's depends fully?

I have a couple versions built, but they are twiggy and messed up

I'm in that phase of Linux growth where I want to learn remastering
I am playing with grml/hag now, and hopefully learning alot
especially about fluxbox, the best wm!
http://multidistro.com/fluxboxp/fluxboxp.html

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