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Old 06-01-2019, 10:16 AM   #16
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Also LuckyCyborg given his numbers talking about the medium usage of his PC, then probably that that 30W consumption reported is when he does some kind of activities, like browsing or watching movies.

Otherwise, that AMD Athlon x4 5350 is just a Kabini mobile CPU, or better said APU, then it probably sports really deep power states, and his computer is just like a laptop in a desktop case, if we exclude that 3.5" hard drive used by him for data storage, which consumes somewhere between 0.4W and 6.8W according with

https://www.wd.com/content/dam/wdc/w...879-771436.pdf

I think that we can assume that his computer power performances are roughly similar with the laptops, and probably it can go down to around 5W on idle state. Or even deeper.

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Old 06-01-2019, 06:40 PM   #17
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Its a little unfair to compare your zbox's idle power usage with the maximum power rating of the Pis power supply adapter. Power usage varies widely with cpu usage and idle usage doesn't say much. If you want to compare power supplies then the Pi is rated for a maximum of 12.5W and the zbox BI325 is rated at 65W, around 5 times larger.
I thought we were talking about idle power. In any case, my zbox uses much less than 30W even under load, so his claim that a bigger, 30W machine (whether he meant under load or idle, it wasn't clear) renders mini PCs like zboxes and NUCs as "overpriced craps" is nonsense. My zbox was under $200 with everything. You'd be hard pressed to call that overpriced, regardless of its performance. I'm just tired of people passing off their opinions as if they were incontrovertible fact, like LuckyCyborg did.

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Old 06-02-2019, 12:48 AM   #18
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I thought we were talking about idle power. In any case, my zbox uses much less than 30W even under load, so his claim that a bigger, 30W machine (whether he meant under load or idle, it wasn't clear) renders mini PCs like zboxes and NUCs as "overpriced craps" is nonsense. My zbox was under $200 with everything. You'd be hard pressed to call that overpriced, regardless of its performance. I'm just tired of people passing off their opinions as if they were incontrovertible fact, like LuckyCyborg did.
See my previous post, please!

LuckyCyborg said very clear that his numbers are for a "medium usage" then a "medium load", which I understand to be:
- NOT while the computer is idle
- NOT while compiling Firefox with "-j5", as he do sometimes

Also he said very clear that that 30W includes the consumption of a 3.5" mechanical hard drive, which he uses as storage, otherwise the consumption will be around 20W, which is clearly better than your ZBox.

However, I think is unfair to compare a gaming console with a proprietary operating system like ZBox, good only for playing games, with a general purpose computer, sporting 1.240GB of storage space.

Regarding of "overpricing", please remember that those $200 have different values on different places of the World. Many people works a month for those money, then they may expect some certain performance for this price.

And yes, the NUCs are felt as "overpriced" even where I live, considering the offered performances, which are abysmal.

In fact, what I observed here is that the price is much higher as the cases or motherboards are smaller, so I understand why he chosen a bigger case and motherboard, as a compromise.

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Old 06-02-2019, 01:16 AM   #19
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Personally I like Lenovo's m92p tiny, m93p tiny or m700 tiny. Small, silent, cheap and if you put ssd on them - quite fast. All of them are using Display Port connection instead of HDMI tough.

Basically lenovo laptop with desktop'ish cpu in a small box

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Old 09-15-2019, 02:17 AM   #20
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Hi guys,
I'm sorry for the very big delay, in the end I had to skip this solution (the mini PC) for now. I'll think about it in the future.
Anyway, I was curious to know what was your approach and I would like to thank you all for your answers.


Cristiano.
 
  


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