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Old 08-27-2019, 07:45 AM   #76
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Higher patch versions are backward compatible.

That's normal practice.
 
Old 08-27-2019, 09:36 AM   #77
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Higher patch versions are backward compatible.

That's normal practice.
Then I know your problem.

No, that's not normal practice. Normal practice is higher minor versions are backward compatible.
 
Old 08-27-2019, 01:57 PM   #78
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/me puts guanx on ignore list
 
Old 08-27-2019, 02:03 PM   #79
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Then I know your problem.

No, that's not normal practice. Normal practice is higher minor versions are backward compatible.
You should get out more.
 
Old 08-27-2019, 03:34 PM   #80
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Sometimes i think people not understand , but write.

python development team , says bye bye python2 , in 2020 , then thinking in large slackware development cycles , we need to do something arround , cause launch slackware 15 in ..middle of 2020 ? , with python2 is not good idea.

In /pasture , ok , if someone want then here is , but as default package i think NO , comparing c/c++ with python2/3 is a very bad comparison cause c/c++ are part of same package (gcc) , and never need to put one of this as a default cause executables are differents and no defaults needing.

This is the same like python/python2 , in some moment all migrate to python2 ... now is time to go with python3 , and the first pass , is make as default python executable version 3.

Its a hard work , cause need first of all , make changes in very large slackbuilds scripts, build , to see if some package fails , and test later , question here is when edit slackbuilds ...mantain python2 in , or out.

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Old 08-27-2019, 03:40 PM   #81
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I just want to point out that Slackware still ships gtk+-1.2.10. Just because the upstream drops support does not mean the program is instantly broken.
 
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:28 PM   #82
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I just want to point out that Slackware still ships gtk+-1.2.10. Just because the upstream drops support does not mean the program is instantly broken.
gtk1 is in slackware ONLY , for xmms , i request some time update to xmms2 to drop gtk1 , or simply remove xmms , i think slackware stock , provide too many media players , mplayer/xine is the only nedded , but have audacious, kplayer , xmms amarok , amp , dragon ....

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Old 08-27-2019, 04:43 PM   #83
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I miss xmms actually, all these new players and xmms2 is not ideal.
 
Old 08-27-2019, 05:44 PM   #84
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I miss xmms actually, all these new players and xmms2 is not ideal.
why miss? xmms is on slackware installation as stock package.

I stop here talking gtk1 , there is python2 discussion thread. SORRY
 
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Old 08-27-2019, 06:16 PM   #85
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The replacement for XMMS is Audacious.

XMMS2 is more of an alternative to MPD.

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Old 08-27-2019, 07:03 PM   #86
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I use XMMS occasionally. It's an easy and quick way to play a mp3 file. Quodlibet is my go to music player because of its media organization. I feel the same regarding xine and mplayer but I prefer QMPlay2 for its CUDA support and media organization.

I think it depends if Pat thinks python2 is worth the effort to keep around. I know a lot of stuff has moved to python3 but maybe python2 is worth keeping around a bit longer. Then again python2 could be removed and put on slackbuilds.org like python3 is now for 14.2.
 
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I just want to point out that Slackware still ships gtk+-1.2.10. Just because the upstream drops support does not mean the program is instantly broken.
It does mean that whatever security holes were present when upstream drops support will still be there.

People have had 10 years to update their python 2.x.x code to python 3.x.x. It's like the Y2K bug all over again.
 
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Old 08-27-2019, 09:57 PM   #88
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Sometimes i think people not understand , but write.

python development team , says bye bye python2 , in 2020 , then thinking in large slackware development cycles , we need to do something arround , cause launch slackware 15 in ..middle of 2020 ? , with python2 is not good idea.

In /pasture , ok , if someone want then here is , but as default package i think NO , comparing c/c++ with python2/3 is a very bad comparison cause c/c++ are part of same package (gcc) , and never need to put one of this as a default cause executables are differents and no defaults needing.

This is the same like python/python2 , in some moment all migrate to python2 ... now is time to go with python3 , and the first pass , is make as default python executable version 3.

Its a hard work , cause need first of all , make changes in very large slackbuilds scripts, build , to see if some package fails , and test later , question here is when edit slackbuilds ...mantain python2 in , or out.
Who mandated that cc and c++ be in the same package? Slackware didn't follow this convention, at least.

If you have time to update all the scripts around the world from the past decades, then please do it. If you mean your little casual use-and-drop scripts, that's for your own distribution. Probably open another forum.

We dropped IDL exactly because it only allows purchasing license of the latest version, and scripts written for old versions then become incompatible, causing us to re-write scripts from last N years in year N+1.
Python is marginally better, and will be much better if we keep python2 as python2 and python3 as python3.
 
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It does mean that whatever security holes were present when upstream drops support will still be there.

People have had 10 years to update their python 2.x.x code to python 3.x.x. It's like the Y2K bug all over again.
People have 20 years to update their c89 code to c99, and I didn't see anyone blaming c89 style, nor did any reasonable cc drop the support. There are still code bases in c89 that are actively maintained.
 
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Making python3 the default Python interpreter is like making c++ the default C compiler. Cool, but crazy.
You say THIS , and im say IS NOT THE SAME , cause gcc have separate names for diferent executables and NEVER CONFLICTING , python without number execute a one version as default ...points to python2 or python3 executable.

If you no understand that simply example, please no write more.

Like others in this thread i go add you at ignored , cause i start think your trolling.
 
  


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