I"m wondering if going with 5.10 isn't a sign that we'll have 15.1 or whatever sooner than planned? That is, that development will be sped up. Then again, who knows.

How many times are we going to cover that they ALWAYS release an LTS kernel with 2 years of support? Then, ever since the 4.4 series, they bump it up to 6 years of support about a year into the support window. GKH has stated that the upgrade to 6 years is dependent on companies actually using the LTS kernel.

Have a look at the git log for the kernel release page to see that they have always started with 2 years and then bump to 6.

14.0 and 14.1 are both running EOL kernels. I'd imagine that 14.2 will be added to that list (in addition to other EOL software like PHP and python2).

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Yes, but then what's the reason to install 15.0? Myself I never upgrade - always do fresh install - which gives me opportunity to fix previous installation, to do something new - full customization usually takes 6 months. After another 6 months I would have to through all this into garbage and start again. Not possible. So essentially at this moment I have no choice but to wait for release with kernel offering enough long time support.

That is simply not true. And by the way Greg Kroah-Hartmann was asked why this is only up to 2022? As I remember he answered something like that - it is LTS because support is longer than usual 3 months. So essentially 6 months support should also be called as LTS. So it is not only mine concern. If others were asked that question. But of course we will see. My point only is that at this moment EOL for 5.10.x is 2022. From my point of view it would better to release 15.0 with 5.4 kernel which already has 2025 as EOL.

Edit: I am just expressing my concerns. I am using Slackware since 2004 started with 9.1. I used 14.2 but at some point I really needed something new - and -current is not productive. Nonetheless I keep it for testing. But I can't put additional software on top of it because every update would require rebuilds - and I don't have enough resources for this. I need Slackware I can invest in. So I will wait.

This has already been discussed on the forum ad nauseam.

Wait, so you're asking us to fix a "problem" based on constraints you're imposing on yourself?

Just upgrade instead of doing a fresh install so you don't have to "go through all the garbage" for 6 months.

Try to read my my posts. At the moment there is nothing to upgrade for me cause I no longer run 14.2 I gave my reason. And as I posted I never upgrade: new Slackware means new solutions, new ideas, Slackware is changing I am too changing. It is not that I run service on my computer - fixed once for all the time. So essentially it is not one but several new installations cause usually first attempt fails. Not about installation. The first try to customize system usually fails. These are just new things for me. So I learn. But the price is reinstall, reinstall and again reinstall- to point I am satisfied or give up.

You're going to really make me show you otherwise? Even when I linked the page that does this? Sure, I got some time...

I was a little off with the "bump it up to 6 years of support about a year into the support window" as it seems to not be tied to any specific window. Interesting to note that all kernels took over 1.5 years to get 6 year support except for the 5.4 kernel, which only took 6 months.

The reality is a kernel is released as either short term or long term. Short term kernels are supported until the month after the next stable version is released. Long term kernels are typically the last kernel released for the calendar year and are announced with 2 years of support and, as I said above, have always been extended to 6 years since the 4.4 kernel (with the 5.10 being the latest that has yet to see a bump to 6 years).

You can see all the release and EOL dates on the Linux Kernel Version History wikipedia page. (Hopefully you can actually look at this one before telling me I'm wrong.)

This song and dance is played every kernel release. It was played when the 5.4 kernel was added and people were saying we should move back to 4.14 (since 5.4 and 4.19 were both 2 years of LTS at the time and then bumped to 6 years of support on the same day). I know there's more, because I've posted the LTS gets 6 years of support long after the LTS is initially announced probably 2 dozen times (in fact, here's one where we already had this exact same discussion for a previous version of an LTS kernel).

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So 6 months for 5.4 is rather surprising. I think there is simpler solution - just rollback to 5.4.x - then we all will be happy. Or lets us create community based 5.4 for 15.0 - as a choice for those who want to use kernel with already established long time support. I mean one needs two kernels default - to keep for sure system goes and 5.4 for everyday use. I mean at some point custom build of 5.4 may fail. I need to consider this.

The entire kernel discussion is pointless, I agree with bassmadrigal. Also, Pat does release security kernel patches even for older releases as needed. Patrick provides exceptional long-term support for releases; it's second to none. It goes without saying that we're Slackers for crying out loud and we can roll our own kernels if needed.
I suspect we're a lot closer to a beta release.

I am looking for day you will disagree with bassmadrigal.

Edit: People reported here having problems when passing from 5.4 to 5.9. I read this as silent suggestion to stop to go up with kernel versio. 5.4 seemed enough good choice for new release. Once decision about kernel version would be made - We can try to start to try to fix other things. We are satisfied with hardware support we can go on.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Your ad hominem attack does not negate my points; you're engaging in a logical fallacy. When you call my character into question that *does not* negate my argument. Let us debate and not engage in personal attacks.
I'm looking forward to 15.0.

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Oh no, it is not ad hominem it is you who started you post " I agree with" - agree with what? I don't think that bassmadrigal really need such kind of support. And essentially it does not make him good. It gives impression when lacks arguments bassmadrigal kicks you under the table

You're making an assumption that 5.10 won't be supported beyond 2 years. I'm saying that based on the past kernel history, it is extremely likely that 5.10 will see 6 years of support. I proved it showing that EVERY KERNEL from 4.4 until now is released with 2 years of support but then being pushed to 6 years, with all but the 5.4 kernel taking over 1.5 years to get pushed to 6.

This argument has come up with every LTS kernel release during the development of 15.0. And every time, that LTS kernel was eventually pushed to 6 years of support. The "simpler solution" is to keep doing what Pat has been doing with keeping the latest LTS in -current and then wait for GKH to push it to 6 years, like has happened for the LTS kernels since 2015!

Can we please stop this stupid request that has been proven wrong EVERY TIME?

EDIT: And I forgot to mention the BS statement of "just rollback to 5.4.x - then we all will be happy." I certainly wouldn't be happy with a stable release of Slackware being released with an LTS kernel that's over a year old! I imagine I'm not the only one. There's a lot of features and hardware support that would be missing if we stuck with a 5.4 kernel.

Also, I like how you ignore the fact that you were completely wrong with your "That is simply not true." statement when I proved I was actually correct.

There were also massive problems with the 4.14 kernel that led to Pat dropping back to the 4.9 kernel for a month. LTS kernels aren't guaranteed to be smooth sailing when first released, but since they're supported long-term, the problems end up getting worked out.

This thread is getting way off topic. This thread reminds me of one of my favorite comedy sketches.

Argument

Let's get back on track and talk about our Alpha release and the soon arriving beta(I'm guessing).

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