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Old 12-27-2020, 06:42 AM   #16
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That thing described in first post, I get this sometimes on 64bit 14.2 (nouveau driver) happens with or without network, idle or not doesn't matter.
Pretty sure it's the kernel because it did not happen before 4.14.199 but happens often since 4.14.200 up to 4.14.212
Might be unrelated, but when it freeze I mount the rootfs on another system and check the log where I found something like this every time:
Code:
[  3449.357] Using O_TMPFILE
[  3449.993] Using O_TMPFILE
[  3450.680] Using O_TMPFILE
[  3451.475] Using O_TMPFILE
[  3456.282] Using O_TMPFILE
[  5964.443] Using O_TMPFILE
[  8468.462] Using O_TMPFILE
[  8469.022] Using O_TMPFILE
[  8469.630] Using O_TMPFILE
[  8470.318] Using O_TMPFILE
[  8474.240] Using O_TMPFILE
 
Old 12-27-2020, 10:59 AM   #17
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I first tried the proprietary driver, but it didn't help. I still had both screen glitching and occasional freezing (screen and keyboard freeze, fan goes wild).

Next, I uninstalled the proprietary, switched back to the nouveau driver and decided to wait for the next kernel upgrade. After the upgrade to 5.10.3, both glitching and freezing disappeared (or at least didn't appear in the next several hours of testing). If anything changes (hopefully it won't) I'll let you know, but everything looks OK now.
exactly what i did too on both laptop and desktop (each having a second screen connected to it)

Do you have the cudatoolkit installed?
 
Old 12-27-2020, 09:04 PM   #18
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exactly what i did too on both laptop and desktop (each having a second screen connected to it)

Do you have the cudatoolkit installed?
I don't have the CUDA toolkit.
 
Old 12-27-2020, 10:03 PM   #19
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Ok, it happened again. In somewhat more than a day of testing, there were no screen glitches, but it still freezes occasionally (just experienced the first one with 5.10.3), just less frequent than before I upgraded to 5.10.3. So, it's not really solved yet.
 
Old 12-29-2020, 09:06 AM   #20
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Ok I have the same issue as you. Lockup to point where keyboard is non-resposive. I noticed I can still ssh into the box so I did this and see:
** Xorg (attached screenshot)


Happened several times (always with Firefox)

-- after first it prompted me to start clean (fresh install 5.10.2 current / update to 5.10.3) [saved backup]
-- still happens clean install (only added i3 wm) (but did get Lockup in xfce and fluxbox too.)

My current theory is Firefox related. (running Konqueror as I type to see if it happens here)
-- randomness of the issue makes it hard to be too sure


SYSTEMINFO:
inxi -AG | inxi -A -G | inxi -b | inxi -c10 | inxi -FxxzJy90 | inxi -bay
Code:
System:
  Kernel: 5.10.3 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 2.35.1-slack15) 
  parameters: root=PARTUUID=xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx 
  resume=PARTUUID=xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-557e5a0f14b1 ro 
  initrd=\boot\initrd.gz 
  Desktop: i3 4.18.3 info: i3bar dm: startx Distro: Slackware 14.2 
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: System76 product: Lemur v: lemu7 serial: <filter> 
  Chassis: type: 10 serial: <filter> 
  Mobo: System76 model: Lemur v: lemu7 serial: <filter> 
  UEFI: American Megatrends v: 1.05.25RSA2-1 date: 04/17/2018 
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 30.7 Wh condition: 30.7/45.3 Wh (68%) volts: 16.9/15.1 
  model: Notebook BAT type: Li-ion serial: <filter> status: Full 
CPU:
  Info: Dual Core Intel Core i7-7500U [MT MCP] arch: Amber Lake 
  speed: 3500 MHz min/max: 400/3500 MHz 
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 620 vendor: CLEVO/KAPOK driver: i915 v: kernel 
  bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:5916 
  Device-2: Acer BisonCam NB Pro type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus ID: 1-6:4 
  chip ID: 5986:1111 serial: <filter> 
  Display: server: X.Org 1.20.10 driver: intel unloaded: modesetting,vesa 
  alternate: fbdev display ID: :0 screens: 1 
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.0x11.2") 
  s-diag: 582mm (22.9") 
  Monitor-1: eDP1 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 157 size: 310x170mm (12.2x6.7") 
  diag: 354mm (13.9") 
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 620 (KBL GT2) v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.1 
  direct render: Yes 
Network:
  Device-1: Intel Wireless 8260 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel port: f040 
  bus ID: 02:00.0 chip ID: 8086:24f3 
  Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
  vendor: CLEVO/KAPOK driver: r8169 v: kernel port: e000 bus ID: 03:00.1 
  chip ID: 10ec:8168 
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 1.14 TiB used: 357.15 GiB (30.5%) 
Info:
  Processes: 158 Uptime: 48m Memory: 15.44 GiB used: 555.3 MiB (3.5%) 
  Init: SysVinit v: 2.98 runlevel: 3 default: 3 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.0 
  alt: 10.2.0 clang: 11.0.0 Packages: pkgtool: 1573 lib: 215 rpm: 0 
  Shell: Bash running in: konsole inxi: 3.1.08
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:49 AM   #21
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Ok I have the same issue as you. Lockup to point where keyboard is non-resposive. I noticed I can still ssh into the box so I did this and see:
** Xorg (attached screenshot)


Happened several times (always with Firefox)

-- after first it prompted me to start clean (fresh install 5.10.2 current / update to 5.10.3) [saved backup]
-- still happens clean install (only added i3 wm) (but did get Lockup in xfce and fluxbox too.)

My current theory is Firefox related. (running Konqueror as I type to see if it happens here)
-- randomness of the issue makes it hard to be too sure


SYSTEMINFO:
inxi -AG | inxi -A -G | inxi -b | inxi -c10 | inxi -FxxzJy90 | inxi -bay
Code:
System:
  Kernel: 5.10.3 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 2.35.1-slack15) 
  parameters: root=PARTUUID=xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx 
  resume=PARTUUID=xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-557e5a0f14b1 ro 
  initrd=\boot\initrd.gz 
  Desktop: i3 4.18.3 info: i3bar dm: startx Distro: Slackware 14.2 
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: System76 product: Lemur v: lemu7 serial: <filter> 
  Chassis: type: 10 serial: <filter> 
  Mobo: System76 model: Lemur v: lemu7 serial: <filter> 
  UEFI: American Megatrends v: 1.05.25RSA2-1 date: 04/17/2018 
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 30.7 Wh condition: 30.7/45.3 Wh (68%) volts: 16.9/15.1 
  model: Notebook BAT type: Li-ion serial: <filter> status: Full 
CPU:
  Info: Dual Core Intel Core i7-7500U [MT MCP] arch: Amber Lake 
  speed: 3500 MHz min/max: 400/3500 MHz 
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 620 vendor: CLEVO/KAPOK driver: i915 v: kernel 
  bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:5916 
  Device-2: Acer BisonCam NB Pro type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus ID: 1-6:4 
  chip ID: 5986:1111 serial: <filter> 
  Display: server: X.Org 1.20.10 driver: intel unloaded: modesetting,vesa 
  alternate: fbdev display ID: :0 screens: 1 
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.0x11.2") 
  s-diag: 582mm (22.9") 
  Monitor-1: eDP1 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 157 size: 310x170mm (12.2x6.7") 
  diag: 354mm (13.9") 
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 620 (KBL GT2) v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.1 
  direct render: Yes 
Network:
  Device-1: Intel Wireless 8260 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel port: f040 
  bus ID: 02:00.0 chip ID: 8086:24f3 
  Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
  vendor: CLEVO/KAPOK driver: r8169 v: kernel port: e000 bus ID: 03:00.1 
  chip ID: 10ec:8168 
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 1.14 TiB used: 357.15 GiB (30.5%) 
Info:
  Processes: 158 Uptime: 48m Memory: 15.44 GiB used: 555.3 MiB (3.5%) 
  Init: SysVinit v: 2.98 runlevel: 3 default: 3 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.0 
  alt: 10.2.0 clang: 11.0.0 Packages: pkgtool: 1573 lib: 215 rpm: 0 
  Shell: Bash running in: konsole inxi: 3.1.08
Good point, thanks! I also suspected that it has something to do with Firefox. Every time it happened here, it was while using Firefox. However, it was the same Firefox version I was using before the kernel was upgraded (without any problems), so I forgot about that possibility, but the combination between the two might be the problem. The new kernel version is going to be up in a couple of days I think, and I hope the new release of Firefox will happen soon.
 
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Old 12-29-2020, 11:31 AM   #22
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If you suspect that couple graphic card/Firefox might be the culprit, you can try to disable Firefox hardware acceleration.
See https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...e-acceleration
 
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Old 12-29-2020, 11:32 AM   #23
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Every time it happened here, it was while using Firefox.
Now that I think about it, the two times it happened last week with the 5.10.2 kernel, I was also using Firefox. I had several other applications running on other workspaces, but the actual freezes occurred while I was on Firefox’s window.
 
Old 12-29-2020, 12:10 PM   #24
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Now that I think about it, the two times it happened last week with the 5.10.2 kernel, I was also using Firefox. I had several other applications running on other workspaces, but the actual freezes occurred while I was on Firefox’s window.
Same here. I've had my system lock up three times now. Twice with 5.10.2 and once with 5.10.3.
 
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Old 12-29-2020, 12:34 PM   #25
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The CUDA toolkit is included in the proprietary NVIDIA driver.

I've installed slackware64-current (from alienbob's iso repo for current) on 3 machines this last month, no freezes.

One laptop was pure integrated, no problems.

Another one intel + nvidia, so I fiddled a bit with bumblebee but it seems blacklisting i915 and NVIDIA proprietary was the way to go for that one (worked fine ran Dark Sould 3 and WoW:Shadowlands with fps capped at 144 same as my screen hertz).

The desktop however (gtx1080ti + intel 7700K) didnt work with the "long lived" drivers but the "short lived" drivers seems to be working great so far!

If you are having any problems with current and NVIDIA I can recommend to try the short-lived drivers especially if you recently upgraded kernel and have problems.
 
Old 12-29-2020, 12:40 PM   #26
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honestly, i dont think it is related to firefox. I believe it to be just a coincidence as firefox use also video-accelerator; however, in my system, it happens also when i move windows between screen or most often completely random (for example yesterday it crashed as soon as i woke the system from sleep by simply moving the mouse even with a single screen, although i didnt lose the keyboard so i could ctrl+alt+del to log out and log back in).
Disabling firefox video accelerator has stopped firefox to be able to stream some in-browser video but, for example the gliching still persists here as soon as i enable the second screen (i have been only with one screen for over a week now to decrease the glitching but the system crash it's always an incognito).
I still bet on linux kernel/gcc compiler and nvidia kernel/driver

edit: i opened a thread here if anyone wishes to peak for hints and suggestions

Last edited by however; 12-29-2020 at 12:45 PM.
 
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Old 12-29-2020, 12:57 PM   #27
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honestly, i dont think it is related to firefox. I believe it to be just a coincidence as firefox use also video-accelerator; however, in my system, it happens also when i move windows between screen or most often completely random (for example yesterday it crashed as soon as i woke the system from sleep by simply moving the mouse even with a single screen, although i didnt lose the keyboard so i could ctrl+alt+del to log out and log back in).
Disabling firefox video accelerator has stopped firefox to be able to stream some in-browser video but, for example the gliching still persists here as soon as i enable the second screen (i have been only with one screen for over a week now to decrease the glitching but the system crash it's always an incognito).
I still bet on linux kernel/gcc compiler and nvidia kernel/driver

edit: i opened a thread here if anyone wishes to peak for hints and suggestions
I've had this before on stable systems and just either disabled the auto settings or just disabling hardware acceleration overall.
 
Old 12-29-2020, 02:34 PM   #28
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I've had this before on stable systems and just either disabled the auto settings or just disabling hardware acceleration overall.
Ok i have some interesting findings!

if you xwmconfig in to XFCE, no glitching, no crashes, no need to blacklist anything, no need of proprietary drivers and no need to disable hardware acceleration, both screens are magnificently working as they should.

I change back to KDE and glitching starts immediately.

Now, i am not a developer and/or a tech guru, just a mediocrely educated person who understands that 2+2 equals 4; so, if one 2 is the same hardware and the other 2 is the X desktop it cannot be 4 in one case and 3 or 5 in the other case.

Am i missing something about the new KDE Plasma that differs from xfce (in terms of video resources)?
 
Old 12-29-2020, 03:58 PM   #29
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Am i missing something about the new KDE Plasma that differs from xfce (in terms of video resources)?
One potential area of investigation could be the compositing settings (System Settings>Display and Screen>Compositor: based on rough translation from French).
There, you can modify rendering engine, vsync and other parameters related to graphics. I'm no graphics hardware specialist but looking at various forums, it looks like some settings might create instability for some hardware/kernel combinations.
 
Old 12-29-2020, 04:04 PM   #30
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Ok i have some interesting findings!

if you xwmconfig in to XFCE, no glitching, no crashes, no need to blacklist anything, no need of proprietary drivers and no need to disable hardware acceleration, both screens are magnificently working as they should.

I change back to KDE and glitching starts immediately.

Now, i am not a developer and/or a tech guru, just a mediocrely educated person who understands that 2+2 equals 4; so, if one 2 is the same hardware and the other 2 is the X desktop it cannot be 4 in one case and 3 or 5 in the other case.

Am i missing something about the new KDE Plasma that differs from xfce (in terms of video resources)?

Just to mention that I use fluxbox, so it's not necessarily KDE-related.

Another thing is that the problem persists no matter if I use nouveau or proprietary NVIDIA driver.

Since 5.10.3 I don't see screen glitching anymore but it still freezes from time to time, and always while using Firefox. Btw, I agree about the Firefox and hardware acceleration, that sounds like a good explanation.

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