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Old 12-17-2021, 11:26 AM   #46
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How many times you built the Plasma5?
exactly zero as i don't use it
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From my own experience, on the best computer I have I need over 25 hours to build it fully. And let's do not talk about Qt5...
I let QT5 compile and just walk away. When I come back i save the package and use on my other machines.
It is not a big issue since QT5 isn't releasing every two days or weeks,
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IF Slackware will ask me to build Plasma5 every time, then probably I will treat it like I do with Gentoo. I will give it a hattip and I will never look back.
If Slackware was to release every year and over that time I had to build my DE twice I'd still use it, perhaps i'd switch to a lighter DE (or even fluxbox with companions) but I think i still would find Slackware attractive over the other options
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Anyway, the SBo infrastructure is way behind of what BSDs uses. Their Ports systems has package managers which supports fully dependencies resolution and multiple remote repositories. Binary repositories. And builds with dependency resolution.
But sbotools offer fully functional dependency resolution - it's only the base OS that is considered "monolithic".
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To have something similar with "pkgadd kde" Slackware needs a package manager with full dependency resolution. This will never happen.
But, again, SBo has dependency tracking and it works quite well and Slackware as a core OS still can remain monolithic - all is fine.
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Until then, if you want to see how looks Slackware with a BSD ports system, you can try NetBSD's Pkgsrc ports system, as it supports also Linux as host operating system.

There are people who did this, and they say that you have to keep around 100 packages from the original Slackware.
It is not the ports I'm after, I only want the OS to be OS and the bloat to be carried by those who use it- each to their own.

Since i don't use the massive KDE infrastructure at all - I feel I am at loss for waiting on Slackware to maintain it and bear with it - and IMHO Slackware isn't about any DE in particular - especially since it lives on quite happily after tossing Gnome out - Gnome that gave quite more to the whole GNU universe than KDE IMHO to begin with (at the very least an actually functional and snappy spreadsheet app).

And that comes from me a years long KDE user and fan that came to the point of realization that it simply sin't worth my time.
 
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Old 12-17-2021, 03:25 PM   #47
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Since i don't use the massive KDE infrastructure at all - I feel I am at loss for waiting on Slackware to maintain it and bear with it
KDE isn't what's holding up the next Slackware release.

GNOME was dropped because it was a large and uncoordinated mess of miscellaneous parts which took too long to collate and compile.
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And that comes from me a years long KDE user and fan that came to the point of realization that it simply sin't worth my time.
I'm a CLI guy, but I think that KDE brings a lot of value to the table. It's very much a feature complete desktop... Little things like allowing me to connect to my office VPN and rdp into my Windows machines... Out of the box, without adding anything.
 
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Old 12-17-2021, 03:51 PM   #48
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*business owner*
So what's this thing called current?

*IT guy*
It's a work in progress that will be called stable once the guy behind it thinks it's good enough

*business owner*
And you want to install it here?

*IT guy*
Yep!

*business owner*
The thing the guy behind it doesn't think is good enough?

...
 
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Old 12-17-2021, 03:58 PM   #49
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*business owner*
So what's this thing called current?

*IT guy*
It's a work in progress that will be called stable once the guy behind it thinks it's good enough

*business owner*
And you want to install it here?

*IT guy*
Yep!

*business owner*
The thing the guy behind it doesn't think is good enough?

...
You just quoted me (I played both parts).

Which is why I left -current for my home computer.
 
Old 12-17-2021, 04:31 PM   #50
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KDE isn't what's holding up the next Slackware release.
It was at one point, but we're past it now.
However if we wait long enough the next point will come by and it will become an issue again...
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GNOME was dropped because it was a large and uncoordinated mess of miscellaneous parts which took too long to collate and compile.
More or less what's became of KDE nowdays
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I'm a CLI guy, but I think that KDE brings a lot of value to the table. It's very much a feature complete desktop... Little things like allowing me to connect to my office VPN and rdp into my Windows machines... Out of the box, without adding anything.
Yeah, until the clueless user borks it up and you have to intervene again and again at nauseam - been there, done that.

On the other hand:
XFCE, while admittedly in need of some more "holding of hand" at the start, once set up - just works and does not get borked up for quite a while of use (and abuse) by a clueless user - try it and maybe You get by as i did?

Again - this is jut my personal take to the matter:

If it would help Slackware maintenance in the long run i'd drop all big DEs in favor of a rock solid and more frequent release of the core OS.

If there are any pitfalls, aside of "convenience of use" and "out of the box "just works"" I would like to be informed/learning of that/them.

Kind thanks for all the info thus far and from this point forward
 
Old 12-17-2021, 07:10 PM   #51
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More or less what's became of KDE nowdays
KDE's source is big, but very well coordinated.

You can leave it to compile and come back to a set of packages. It's not like GNOME at all.
 
Old 12-18-2021, 08:03 AM   #52
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KDE's source is big, but very well coordinated.

You can leave it to compile and come back to a set of packages. It's not like GNOME at all.
True:

- You can come back to a set of packages - I found I can barely use (they work as intended alright, but they fail to work as i deem useful (sorry)

- Unlike Gnome - you have to fight it. It stubbornly works against you and refuses until you subdue it into submission - but once done and over - you're left with packages that work and are able to produce meaningful results.

One way or the other - there is no easy way.

And no, I would not like Gnome back - fine thanks.

Yet Gnome is there and can be obtained as a SBo set of (mostly building fine) packages
 
  


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