After 23 years, I am considering abandoning slackware
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I see a beautifully articulated system with a design that works well under any condition it meets, is easily resculpted to fit the needs of system administrator, self sustainable in model, and works without a hedgerow of countless issues, instabilities, broken packages, and untested, unwanted, and useless garbageware people describe as "hip, cool, or rad".
Slackware is a system made for real UNIX administrators and real work. It's not a stupid hipster toy piece of trash like every other sick joke of a Linux based operating system out there.
Painful to install packages? Are you [removed] kidding me?! I'm sorry your crapfest of a ToyOS didn't emphasize building from source to some extent, but that's not Slackware's problem, that's the problem of what lies between the chair and the keyboard.
It's not worth the effort to defend Slackware against users such as un1x. It's been my experience that if it wasn't him, it'd be another user saying much the same things. I have no problem stating my reasons for running Slackware to an interested newbie curious about how Slackware works, but have no interest in raising my blood pressure for the sole purpose of defending myself to a person who is clearly not interested in hearing what I have to say to him. I run what I run because I'm passionate about it and about the principles it stands on, and need no other reason. The rest is elucidation of that passion for the sake of others' enlightenment.
You can do what you want, but I just don't think it's worth the effort, IMHO. YMMV.
It's not worth the effort to defend Slackware against users such as un1x. It's been my experience that if it wasn't him, it'd be another user saying much the same things. I have no problem stating my reasons for running Slackware to an interested newbie curious about how Slackware works, but have no interest in raising my blood pressure for the sole purpose of defending myself to a person who is clearly not interested in hearing what I have to say to him. I run what I run because I'm passionate about it and about the principles it stands on, and need no other reason. The rest is elucidation of that passion for the sake of others' enlightenment.
You can do what you want, but I just don't think it's worth the effort, IMHO. YMMV.
Regards,
Matt
I agree, although I don't actually use Slack. Nothing against it, just not my cup of tea. But totally respect the OS, see the appeal for some people. Other than a few linux-based OS's I really don't see any reason to bash any of them. Some are easy, some are hard. Some won't use nonfree things, some include them by default. In the end, they're mostly very similar in the broadest sense of the OS operation, so while we may not like certain choices of distributions, we're not forced to use it and shouldn't attack something that obviously other people find to be right up their alley.
I have a question regarding the link Didier Spaier used in his post.
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Originally Posted by Didier Spaier
Looking at his previous posts it seems me that giving un1x an answer (let alone a reasoned one) is making him an undue favor.
Since this thread isn't going anywhere in particular I thought I'd jump in and ask my off-topic question.
Since there were a couple of other posts referring to and quoting this one from Didier Spaier, and no one mentioned trouble following the link ... should I assume that most people could successfully follow the link? Am I the only one having trouble with the link?
When I follow the link http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/search.php?searchid=8342891 I just get the following message from LQ.
"Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."
I'd like to know why I can't follow the link that it appears others can. Normally I have no trouble following links to other LQ posts (except when there's a typo).
Is it a LQ setting I may be using? Did others look up un1x posting history on their own and not use the link?
I'm running Firefox 38.6.0 and turned full scripting back on to test this issue.
Last edited by TracyTiger; 03-15-2016 at 08:15 PM.
I have a question regarding the link Didier Spaier used in his post.
Since this thread isn't going anywhere in particular I thought I'd jump in and ask my off-topic question.
Since there were a couple of other posts referring to and quoting this one from Didier Spaier, and no one mentioned trouble following the link ... should I assume that most people could successfully follow the link? Am I the only one having trouble with the link?
When I follow the link http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/search.php?searchid=8342891 I just get the following message from LQ.
"Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."
I'd like to know why I can't follow the link that it appears others can. Normally I have no trouble following links to other LQ posts (except when there's a typo).
Is it a LQ setting I may be using? Did others look up un1x posting history on their own and not use the link?
I'm running Firefox 38.6.0 and turned full scripting back on to test this issue.
I believe it has been removed since the link was originally posted. I know I had no issues following it a few days ago, but it now gets the same error you describe.
I believe it has been removed since the link was originally posted. I know I had no issues following it a few days ago, but it now gets the same error you describe.
Thanks Mr Miller. That would explain it.
I considered post/thread removal as a cause but I thought the LQ policy was NOT to remove posts except in extreme cases. Maybe this met the conditions of removal but a moderator didn't catch it earlier.
It's good to know I'm not having technical difficulties.
I have a question regarding the link Didier Spaier used in his post.
Since this thread isn't going anywhere in particular I thought I'd jump in and ask my off-topic question.
Since there were a couple of other posts referring to and quoting this one from Didier Spaier, and no one mentioned trouble following the link ... should I assume that most people could successfully follow the link? Am I the only one having trouble with the link?
When I follow the link http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/search.php?searchid=8342891 I just get the following message from LQ.
"Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."
I'd like to know why I can't follow the link that it appears others can. Normally I have no trouble following links to other LQ posts (except when there's a typo).
Is it a LQ setting I may be using? Did others look up un1x posting history on their own and not use the link?
I'm running Firefox 38.6.0 and turned full scripting back on to test this issue.
Since he linked to a search (rather than a direct post), LQ probably only saves them for so long before they are purged from the database (to minimize resource usage). This is different than a lot of forums which don't allow you to share searches like that (although, some will have the search terms in the url itself, so it can be accessed anytime unless the underlying forum software changes).
Since he linked to a search (rather than a direct post), LQ probably only saves them for so long before they are purged from the database (to minimize resource usage).
Thanks. Another good explanation. Perhaps the same as Timothy Miller's if the "it" he was referring to was the search and not the post. I may have misunderstood his explanation.
Thanks for exploring (guessing at) the LQ workings with me.
Hello! How about to reconsider the structure of repositories in upcoming release, to address one aspect of criticism from Debian community. I think the rationale behind this one is valid, and itself is being far from just a FUD. I mean to resolve the issue of mixing Your own Mint repositories with repos from Ubuntu, which results in conflicts in namespace. Perhaps the Mint should take similar way Trisquel GNU/Linux community resolved this. They made their own separate repositories, based on Ubuntu LTS, but with their own changes. This would be the perfect way to avoid any conflicts in package names.
Edit by Clem: There are places for this kind of things. For MDM, which only affects Mint and for which we never ever received a user request: https://github.com/linuxmint/mdm/issues/133. For hunspell-en-us which only affects Debian users https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugr...cgi?bug=646693. For Cinnamon 3.0 which will affect Ubuntu 16.04 users when they try to upgrade via PPA because of 3 conflicts introduced by Debian (we fixed 2 of them, but the 3rd one simply isn’t compatible with the existing packages), we’ll probably see a LP bug report on Ubuntu and the root cause linking to a bugzilla report on Debian. In any case, this is the kind of things which gets solved between users and their maintainers, or between maintainers and developers, not on a blog, with an open letter, surfing on the wave of despicable attacks and in front of a hungry crowd. Somebody who communicates like that isn’t trying to solve a problem. Even if we wanted to respond to some of the content, we probably wouldn’t because the only way to deal with it professionally is to ignore it. I’m not too impressed with the hunspell conflict, I’m not too impressed with the gnome2 vs gnome3 conflict, I wasn’t too impressed with my fellow Frenchman Josselin Mouette’s attempts to block MATE, I’m not too impressed with the cdrkit vs cdrtools debacle which is frankly utterly unacceptable, there are people in Debian whose lack of pragmatism means they would never work for Mint, yet you don’t see me write blog posts about them and wonder publicly whether it’s acceptable or not, or question the quality of their entire distribution. You might spot some of our devs briefly rant about upstream from the semi-privacy of our dev IRC channel.. you won’t see us create or fuel controversy though. If some Debian community member has an issue with name conflicts, they should fix the ones in Debian first (so that we can take him/her seriously), avoid to spread FUD on public forums (so we can actually talk to him/her without looking unprofessional) and contact us (so we can talk calmly about it and consider changes with smiles on our faces).
When a distribution is inept at maintaining, building, and using its own packages and has to outsource without doing their homework, they shouldn't be releasing a distribution in the first place. If you are a distribution maintainer, and you aren't in control of your stuff, then you aren't in control of your distribution.
When a distribution is inept at maintaining, building, and using its own packages and has to outsource without doing their homework, they shouldn't be releasing a distribution in the first place. If you are a distribution maintainer, and you aren't in control of your stuff, then you aren't in control of your distribution.
Reading what you wrote and knowing that many people have an opposite opinion make me wonder if you ever tried Mint yourself. Your post would lead me to give it a try to make my own opinion... If only I had the time.
Last edited by Didier Spaier; 03-16-2016 at 12:54 PM.
Reason: Inserted missing letter
I've used Mint before. While I applaud them for making Cinnamon (which is a nice desktop IMO), overall, there's absolutely nothing about Mint to me that I can't get from base Debian with installing Cinnamon instead of Gnome.
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