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Old 07-11-2010, 03:54 PM   #1
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need help disabling the keyring in evolution in Mandriva 2010.1


Hello I have installed Mandriva Free 2010.1 and now have a new problem, after installing Evolution which I have been using since 2009. I am getting a pop-up screen asking for a keyring password when I try to get mail. I have to keep canceling until I get the pop mail password screen and then I enter the mail password to get my mail. I have researched on the Internet and can only find how to do it in Ubuntu if anyone can help me how to do it in Mandriva Free I would appreciate it.
Thanks Robin

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Old 07-11-2010, 06:54 PM   #2
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I don't use Evilution, not for a long time now, but I'll take a wild stab that GNUPG privacy|encoding has been selected in the E' options|preferences to be used. Remove(uncheck) that option.
 
Old 07-12-2010, 03:52 AM   #3
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I have encryption unchecked on my receiving and sending mail preferences but that did not make any difference. I have even tried creating a public key and entering it in the PGP field and entering it in the keyring pop-up but nothing works.
Thanks for trying to help rjcooks
 
Old 07-12-2010, 10:58 AM   #4
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Sorry it did not do it.

Try the Mandriva forum if no answer shows here RSN ...

[minirant]
THAT is why evilution is not used here. It did really dumb stuff like that years ago and, thanks to you, i now know it still does so won't be wasting time with trying it again.
...such a shame, I really loved Gnome before 2.0 came out. If not for Gnome 1.2 I might not even be using Linux ...
[/minirant]
 
Old 07-12-2010, 04:38 PM   #5
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Thank you rjcooks for your help I have been looking at the mandriva forums and have found old concerns on older Mandriva/Mandrake but havent found anything recently however I am going to try some of the things in the other forums. I used to use Kmail until 2010 then I had problems configuring it I also still use Thunderbird because I have multiple email accounts for personal and business thats why I use Evolution and Thunderbird

I went to evolution for my business because it can be backed up but Thunderbird can't if you know of any other email program that can be backed up and be able to transfer my saved emails I will try it.
Thanks Robin
 
Old 07-12-2010, 09:05 PM   #6
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Not sure about backups of just email. The email and everything gets backed-up by doing backups of the drives here.
I've used kmail, fetchmail, evilution, thunderbird, emacs, probably at least a dozen that most people have never heard of and another dozen that people have but never tried. None trip my trigger, so to speak. I stick to webmail and let them do the maintenance|backups and occasionally download a copy to get into regular backups.
Since I use KDE these days, kmail is the easy choice so I use it. Thunderbird and other Mozilla mail predecessors impress me at first but end up PMO cuz they steal mail from the web when I am not looking or something else like that.
Anyway kmail is as good as any of them. I do not want it to try to cook breakfast, just get the * mail and filter it without making me spend a lot of time configuring and reconfiguring it over and over again to do such a basically simple task.

If you like and are comfortable with E' stick with it.
Only suggestion I have, other than post in Mandriva forum or file a bug report(it does sound like a bug), is the rather drastic one of removing it and the settings, then reinstall and reconfigure it.

I feel for you - nag screens drive me crazy.
 
Old 07-13-2010, 12:24 AM   #7
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I am not sure just how proficient you are with Linux, but if you are willing to spend some time creating a custom configuration, you may want to use an email configuration modeled after what I use here.

First, I use fetchmail to get my email from my various email accounts (all are on pop servers). Fetchmail passes it to procmail (this is where the custom configuration comes in), and procmail delivers mail arriving from known sources to specified directories under my mail directory. Any email coming from unknown sources is dropped into a "pending mail" directory. I then use Kmail as my local mail reader. When I set up Kmail for the first time, it created a mail directory at (/home/$USER/.kde4/share/apps/kmail/mail). I replace that directory with a link to my local mail directory located under my user account's home directory (~/mail).

I am a bit of a control freak, so I do not run fetchmail in daemon mode. I run it from a cron script each quarter hour (some more custom configuration). Way back when I first set this up. I used fetchmailconf to configure fetchmail. My fetchmailrc configuration file (made generic for my privacy) follows:
Code:
# Configuration created <creation date placed here by fetchmailconf> by fetchmailconf
set logfile "/home/$USER/tmp/fetchmail.log"
set postmaster "$USER"
set bouncemail
set no spambounce
set properties ""
poll <MAILSERVER> with proto POP3 and options no dns uidl
       user '<USERNAME>' there with password '<PASSWORD>' is '$USER' here options fetchall stripcr
 mda '/usr/bin/procmail'

poll <MAILSERVER> with proto POP3 and options no dns uidl
       user '<USERNAME>' there with password '<PASSWORD>' is '$USER' here options fetchall stripcr ssl
 mda '/usr/bin/procmail'
Notes:
<MAILSERVER> = email account server address (Gmail's email server address is pop.gmail.com
<USERNAME> = your email account user name.
<PASSWORD> = your email account password.
<USERNAME> = your regular Linux account's user name (not root).

I will also include the most usefull parts of my procmailrc file:
Code:
# My personal procmailrc file as inspired by Spam Hammer
# Appreciation to Nic Wolff who provided the original script
# from which this was created
# Info at http://angel.net/~nic/spam-x.html
# Modifications by Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
# email: ewilcox@gmail.com

# System variables for procmail:
SHELL=/bin/bash
PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:.
COMSAT VERBOSE=off

# custom procmail directory and file path definitions
HOME=/home/$USER
PMDIR=$HOME/tmp
LOGFILE=$PMDIR/procmail.log
MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/pending/new
INBOX=$MAILDIR/inbox/new
NOTIFICATIONS=$MAILDIR/Notifications/new
LISTBOX=$MAILDIR/Lists/new
DB=$HOME/.mail-accept.list
DENY_DB=$HOME/.mail-deny.list

# Program and device location definitions specific to my system
# You should check that these are the same on your system
FORMAIL=/usr/bin/formail
GREP=/bin/grep
SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail
LS=/bin/ls
TR=/usr/bin/tr
HEAD=/usr/bin/head
DATE=/bin/date
BITBUCKET=/dev/null

# Miscelaneous definitions for recipe execution

# Replace each <KNOWN-SENDER-EMAIL-ADDRESS> entry below with the email address of mailing lists you are enrolled on (if any):
LISTS=(<KNOWN-SENDER-EMAIL-ADDRESS>|<KNOWN-SENDER-EMAIL-ADDRESS>)$

# Replace each <KNOWN-DOMAIN-NAME> with the domain names from which you get email that are not mailing lists. Example - if you receive email from LQ (LinuxQuestions), one entry would be linuxquestions.org:
KNOWN_DOMAINS=(<KNOWN-DOMAIN-NAME>|<KNOWN-DOMAIN-NAME>)$

# Replace each <DENY-DOMAIN-NAME> with the domain name of a domain from which you do not want to receive any mail. All mail from sources in this list will be sent to the BITBUCKET (/dev/null)
DENY_DOMAINS=(<DENY-DOMAIN-NAME>|<DENY-DOMAIN-NAME>)$

# Get sender
:0 hw
FROM=|$FORMAIL -rzxTo:|$TR / _

# If the message is from a list we're on, deliver it.
:0
* LISTS ?? (.)
* $ ^TO_$LISTS
$LISTBOX

# If the message is from a known domain, deliver it.
:0
* KNOWN_DOMAINS ?? (.)
* $ FROM ?? $KNOWN_DOMAINS
$INBOX

# Mail from the cron daemon goes into notifications.
:0
* ^From.*cron.*
$NOTIFICATIONS

# Handle rejected - unknown mail:

# If the message sender is in my deny-list, drop it in the bitbucket.
:0 h
* ? $GREP -i ^$FROM $DENY_DB
$BITBUCKET

# If the message is from a rejected domain, drop it in the bit bucket.
:0
* DENY_DOMAINS ?? (.)
* $ FROM ?? $DENY_DOMAINS
$BITBUCKET

# Handle mail from known sources:

# If the message sender is in my allow list:
:0
* ? $GREP -i ^$FROM $DB
$INBOX

# Anything else is delivered to pending messages
The next part of the puzzle is the bash script I run in cron to get all this working:
Code:
#!/bin/bash

# append a blank line and a date stamp into the fetchmail log file:
echo " " >> ~/tmp/fetchmail.log
date >> ~/tmp/fetchmail.log

# append a blank line and a date stamp into the procmail log file:
echo " " >> ~/tmp/procmail.log
date >> ~/tmp/procmail.log

# go get the mail
fetchmail -d 0
The final step is telling cron to go get the mail:
Code:
# Check for mail each quarter hour
0,15,30,45 * * * * /home/$USER/bin/chkmail &> /home/$USER/tmp/chkmail.log
I understand that this all looks very complicated (and it is, to be completely honest), but once you get things set up the way you want them, and working correctly, it automates most of your email management.

I do not read pending mail (mail from unknown sources) in Kmail. I first check unknown mail by navigating to ~/mail/pending/new in the Knoqueror File Manager (or Dolphin), then open the message with Kwrite. If it is something I want to read in Kmail, I simply close Kwrite. If the message is suspicious in any way, I delete it in Konqueror.

HTH,
 
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Old 07-13-2010, 05:02 AM   #8
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Update after searching the Internet and looking at other forums in Ubuntu and Fedora with the same problem I went ahead and tried what they did. I went to the view menu checked to view hidden files in my home folder and went to the .gnome2 file then the keyrings file and deleted the default.keyring file.

I then opened Evolution and put in my email password and was prompted to enter a new keyring password and left the password blank then you are prompted to cancel or accept the unsafe password which will not encrypt your keyring and mail passwords.

Now I do not get that prompt anymore, since I am the only one using the laptop and this only effects the Evolution mail passwords and does not effect system passwords. I can live with that for now.

Thanks everyone for your help.

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Old 07-16-2010, 11:02 PM   #9
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if you know of any other email program that can be backed up and be able to transfer my saved emails I will try it.
Thanks Robin
On the off chance that you might look at this, I just found out that kmail now does archiving. No way to know if it can do what you want but you can try it - it is free after all, .
 
  


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