guru's infected threads - I am voting against reputation system

Originally Posted by cynwulf Linbox, Once again you're presuming to speak for "introverts" based only upon your own personal experience. You believe that your experiences qualify you as a spokesperson for a particular group of people. I won't debate that here, but I think the thread should get off the topic of your "studies" and back on topic.

Has to do with research, nothing to do with my own experiences.

My own experiences have caused me to do research. It is a bit like this forum. People learn from experience and researching the things they need. There would be no Guru on this forum if people did no research to answer questions.

To discredit my opinion because I live with a life experience that has caused me to do research on the subject of mental illness is really no different then what goes on in the forum. Would you like all the answers you give out of your own experiences only to be met with that only equating to your opinion because of your own experiences? Or even your own opinion because of research you may have done?

Just because life has thrown me a curve ball does not make my opinion somehow less valuable. It just makes my opinion backed by a different force other then your own. It makes neither of us wrong, rather on different objectives.

Just for the record, I am not presuming here either. I have done plenty of research on the subject of mental illness and personality traits.

LinBox2013, since you didn't take the hint many pages ago, and since this thread has come back to life for no good reason, please let me introduce you to some actual peer reviewed academic research.

Dunning and Kruger -- about 818,000 hits on Google, though maybe you haven't heard of them -- famously showed that the incompetent are actually *more* confident than experts. This would seem to put the skids under your hypothesis that beginners posting here will be intimidated by the presence of experts.

But I don't expect this to change your mind. I could be wrong, and you seem very confident that you are right. Also, there's Lord, Ross and Lepper for us all to meditate upon, lest this thread gets any longer...

Originally Posted by LinBox2013 Has to do with research, nothing to do with my own experiences.

As ever you focus on your offtopic amateur psychology and ignore the points other users have made entirely.

Originally Posted by LinBox2013 My own experiences have caused me to do research. It is a bit like this forum. People learn from experience and researching the things they need. There would be no Guru on this forum if people did no research to answer questions.[etc]

The difference is that the experienced users on this form are not theorising on a subject or giving purely opinions - they're posting from experience yes and from learning, but they're posting technical information rather than theorising wildly on mental health. That's where your comparison breaks down and I don't think it's really that helpful.

Originally Posted by LinBox2013 I have done plenty of research on the subject of mental illness and personality traits.

Yes you did mention it once or twice...

Originally Posted by 55020 Dunning and Kruger -- about 818,000 hits on Google, though maybe you haven't heard of them -- famously showed that the incompetent are actually *more* confident than experts. This would seem to put the skids under your hypothesis that beginners posting here will be intimidated by the presence of experts.

I know their work. It is not really about mental illness.

Originally Posted by 55020 But I don't expect this to change your mind. I could be wrong, and you seem very confident that you are right. Also, there's Lord, Ross and Lepper for us all to meditate upon, lest this thread gets any longer...

I am very passionate about speaking for those whom are silent, not by choice that many would presume.

So yes, I can lean to the side of extreme on some occasions. Only because of research and what research has taught me.

I am no different in this regard then anyone else. Is there not a discussion on this forum somewhere right now that challenges the views of others? Darwin would have had some interesting conversations I am sure.

So we're settled then?

And we'll be keeping the reputation system "as is" for now?

(Hey, what's that little guy muttering?)

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Originally Posted by cynwulf As ever you focus on your offtopic amateur psychology and ignore the points other users have made entirely.

And you continue to attack me and doubt my ability to understand psychology.

How about this, I don't believe you know Linux, why are you posting here? This is the same thing you are saying to me here.

Originally Posted by cynwulf The difference is that the experienced users on this form are not theorising on a subject or giving purely opinions - they're posting from experience yes and from learning, but they're posting technical information rather than theorising wildly on mental health. That's where your comparison breaks down and I don't think it's really that helpful.

Most of mental health is well studied and well documented. Somehow, you feel that I am not allowed to have an opinion and instead you take my posts as offensive for some reason or the other. I have said post counts will stay and I know this. I was just injecting my thoughts as you are doing now.
So, let's seclude my opinion because yours is superior and throw my research under the rug because you don't like what I have to say? How original!

Originally Posted by cynwulf Yes you did mention it once or twice...

And again, somehow my research is meaningless to you.

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Originally Posted by rtmistler So we're settled then? And we'll be keeping the reputation system "as is" for now? (Hey, what's that little guy muttering?)

It is settled. I did not open this topic back up.

This thread has now gone woefully off-topic. Please ensure any further posts do not continue this trend.

--jeremy

Originally Posted by LinBox2013 And you continue to attack me and doubt my ability to understand psychology.

Oh good grief...

Originally Posted by jeremy This thread has now gone woefully off-topic. Please ensure any further posts do not continue this trend. --jeremy

Received and understood.

This thread has now gone woefully off-topic. Please ensure any further posts do not continue this trend.

Was it ever on-topic? The topic switched and became mired in intractability about a dozen pages ago.

I am very passionate about speaking for those whom are silent, not by choice that many would presume.

My opinion that most of psychology is nonsense is not why I oppose your actions. If you want to campaign for people with supposed mental "illnesses", a computer users' forum is not an appropriate place. People come here to discuss problems they are having with computers, not to philosophise about shyness, insanity or heroism.

Originally Posted by Randicus Draco Albus Was it ever on-topic? The topic switched and became mired in intractability about a dozen pages ago.

I'd argue that threads fitting that description should be locked.

Originally Posted by Randicus Draco Albus My opinion that most of psychology is nonsense is not why I oppose your actions. If you want to campaign for people with supposed mental "illnesses", a computer users' forum is not an appropriate place. People come here to discuss problems they are having with computers, not to philosophise about shyness, insanity or heroism.

"supposed mental illness" can be very debilitating to some people.

Just because you might not believe in mental illness does not mean it is not real.

What I have posted in this thread has very much been on topic. There are indeed people who have problems with people and crowds and who not like feeling as if they are not equal. Just because your comfort in your mental health and your status on these forums pleases yourself, there are other people unlike you who wish they had the mental chains removed to feel the freedom in yourself that many cannot enjoy.

To discount others because things to you are "supposed" is wrong in many ways and probably another topic all in its self.

My request for this thread to get back on topic (which in this context is based on the OP) has been followed by 4 off topic posts. There will not be additional warnings. If you want to start a new thread about topics that have come up in this thread, feel free to do so.

--jeremy

Originally Posted by jeremy My request for this thread to get back on topic (which in this context is based on the OP) has been followed by 4 off topic posts. There will not be additional warnings. If you want to start a new thread about topics that have come up in this thread, feel free to do so. --jeremy

I am thrown into defensive mode because some people do not agree with what I am posting because it does not pertain to themselves. I said what I had to say a long time ago and people keep quoting me and singling me out.

I always thought I was among an understanding community when visiting and posting on these forums. I now understand this forum only cares about a majority and has no concern for a minority.

Here is a forum where people can feel equal because they are talking with people whom have the same problems as themselves. Actually, they have almost as many members as this forum:

http://forums.psychcentral.com/

I am done with this thread. I cannot get people to see outside their little box and realize that everyone is different and some people really wish they enjoyed the same kind of freedoms that those in this very thread enjoy, including myself.

Titles are a problem. I however cannot get people to see this.

I won't be back.

The name of that site suggests it would be an appropriate place for the digression so vigorously argued with repetition. This site is not.

There is no need to get rid of the cute titles under members' names. They are simply meant to indicate members' level of activity. Most people will not associate them with expertise. (The few who do have a problem.) I would be willing to bet that many people do not even look at posters' details. I shall not get into the reputation system, but titles are only titles and need not be removed.