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Old 05-23-2018, 05:41 AM   #46
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The issue to me is NOT who can land the biggest insult, it's the intention behind the post and clearly in the example your referring to (if I'm thinking of the right example) the member in question IS saying what he said as an insult. I'm not trying to be thin-skinned and have heard far worse both here and particularly in real life - but this is beside the point.
No, that's the point I was trying to make in my roundabout babble.

It's a matter of perspective as far as insults vs. banter. That type of thing wouldn't even register as an insult with me, yet has had a profound effect on you.

If you're that bothered by someone put them on ignore and be done with it.
 
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Old 05-23-2018, 06:02 AM   #47
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We're not all going to get along together on here all the time, because that's just human nature, but there's a big difference between genuine trolling/abuse/inappropriate language and folk being antagonising/irritating.

There are one or two posters on here that I have to admit I find a bit irritating, mostly due to the quality of the information they hand out and/or their insistence in pressing an agenda (whether it be anti- systemd, binary distro, Microsoft etc., or just proselytising their favourite distro when that doesn't even concern the question being answered). However, that's life, we're not all going to agree and if I feel strongly enough about a poster's behaviour in this respect on a particular thread then I'll make my point and leave it at that. After all, some posters may find me irritating too.

We shouldn't water down the point of this thread though. It's supposed to be about handling, in an effective and timely fashion, posters who break LQ's rules and need dealing with quickly due to the nature of the post(s) that remain visible to all on LQ, not those who generally stick to the rules but have an unlikeable or non-constructive posting nature. In my opinion, anyway.
Thank you hydrurga, absolutely agree!!

Exactly the point I'm trying to make here! Thank you for your response! And well said!

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Old 05-23-2018, 06:35 AM   #48
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Well, just had a look at the thread I was talking about before and guess what? It's now completely OFF-TOPIC thanks to the SAME member I was referring to before. (I'm NOT having a go at JeremyBoden either - it not his fault/at very least he did NOT start the thread going off course.)

Had this been able to be nipped in the bud MUCH sooner, this could have been STOPPED, BEFORE things got worse. My point I believe is now PROVEN.

Did it not start going off-topic with this post and I quote:

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The same problem exists in real life and peoples refusal to innoculate.
There was a huge problem not long ago in the US when there was an outbreak of Measles that very nearly got out of control and did actually kill a lot of people. The cause was because a group of people in the Boston area refused to get their children immunised with the MMR vaccine and it gave the virus a foothold long enough to become resistant to the vaccine. It is my understanding that there is a similar problem with Flu vaccine in that because only a smalll number are vaccinated each year, strains are not completely killed off and therefore survive long enough to mutate.
???

And this has what to do with ICT security/viruses? NOTHING! That's what. Point proven. I rest my case.
 
Old 05-23-2018, 07:29 AM   #49
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Did it not start going off-topic with this post and I quote:
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And this has what to do with ICT security/viruses? NOTHING! That's what. Point proven. I rest my case.
My case rests upon the fact I almost responded to the same thread with a post about having never had a flu shot or a cold in my life.

What continues causing you consternation close to a coronary I personally found pleasing to peruse.
 
Old 05-24-2018, 10:48 AM   #50
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@Jeremy,

I was wondering given some of the things that have been going on here; When does LQ plan on "reviewing" mod "coverage" ?
 
Old 05-24-2018, 11:00 AM   #51
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It's not something we plan to make any meaningful change to before the next code update (and even after that, to be clear, it's not guaranteed we'll be making any sweeping changes).

--jeremy
 
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It's not something we plan to make any meaningful change to before the next code update (and even after that, to be clear, it's not guaranteed we'll be making any sweeping changes).

--jeremy
I'm really not trying to be rude here Jeremy and appreciate the work yourself and mod's do here, I honestly do but;

I think I do have valid point in what I'm asking here, which is simply that at least one mod has the power IF required to intervene regardless of which forum it is. And by "IF required" I mean that IF the mod for said forum is NOT logged in to deal with it.

The fact that a few members in particular seem to what to and to use hydrurga's words, "water down" the purpose of this thread is quite frankly annoying, particularly when I don't believe I'm asking for any major changes to the current system - I don't believe that giving at least one mod a little extra power is what I would consider a "major" or "sweeping" change.

To be clear: I have NEVER expected everyone here to agree with me on anything and I'm really struggling to understand how they come to that conclusion, to be frank with you.

May I ask when exactly the "next code update" is?

Thank you for your time.

PS: Sorry for the delay in my reply - my wifi connection is a joke at the moment.
 
Old 05-24-2018, 11:29 AM   #53
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We appreciate the feedback, it's just not a change we're going to make at this time. We'll hopefully have more info on the code update soon.

--jeremy
 
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Old 05-24-2018, 11:35 AM   #54
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We appreciate the feedback, it's just not a change we're going to make at this time. We'll hopefully have more info on the code update soon.

--jeremy
Sorry for watering the thread down even further, and going off-topic to boot, but is there a chance that you might create a thread before the next code update asking for member input of possible changes to be incorporated in the code update, with the proviso naturally that such suggestions will merely be considered, not necessarily implemented?

The reason I ask is that a suggestion I made a wee while ago, adding the # (CODE) facility to the quick reply window, was going to be added to the next update at the time and I don't know if it's still on the to-do list. If not, I would like to add it to any such thread.
 
Old 05-24-2018, 11:36 AM   #55
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We appreciate the feedback, it's just not a change we're going to make at this time. We'll hopefully have more info on the code update soon.

--jeremy
Firstly, thank you for your time & reply.

But I would *not* be asking for this if I didn't truly believe that it is necessary and important that it be considered with the highest possible consideration (not saying it wouldn't be).

And I still believe the there is a proven need for this, despite what a few members might think - regardless of how much they think they know about how forums work or how long they have participated in them. Not meaning to be rude to anyone.

Would you be advising when you know when the next code update is?

Thanks again.
 
Old 05-24-2018, 11:44 AM   #56
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Sorry for watering the thread down even further, and going off-topic to boot, but is there a chance that you might create a thread before the next code update asking for member input of possible changes to be incorporated in the code update, with the proviso naturally that such suggestions will merely be considered, not necessarily implemented?
This has been covered in-depth, and will be the same as previous code updates. There will be plenty of time and multiple stages through the process for ample member feedback. We'll keep the design as similar as possible to the current, while moving to a more modern underlying platform to ensure the stability LQ members have come to expect remains possible.

--jeremy
 
Old 05-24-2018, 12:04 PM   #57
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This has been covered in-depth, and will be the same as previous code updates. There will be plenty of time and multiple stages through the process for ample member feedback. We'll keep the design as similar as possible to the current, while moving to a more modern underlying platform to ensure the stability LQ members have come to expect remains possible.

--jeremy
Good to know, thanks.
 
Old 05-25-2018, 03:14 AM   #58
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Some members need to stop trying so hard to push through their own particular 'solutions' to what are in effect perceived problems. The admin has already responded a few times, but some forum members just keep insisting on their particular implementation and seem to require a time frame for that. Not meaning to be rude to anyone.
 
Old 05-25-2018, 06:22 AM   #59
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There are two long threads that are very similar. From what I can see, this thread and the Remove Hateful Posts thread both seem to have a common theme. A few members being unhappy that action is not taken, or cannot be taken, with posts they report. Or put into different words, they report posts they believe are inappropriate and are unhappy because the moderators disagree (in the other thread); and they are unhappy when action cannot be taken quickly enough (this thread). Personally, I think it is unhealthy to take a forum too seriously. Yes, sometimes inappropriate or even offensive posts will made. Occasionally action will not be taken immediately, but life goes on. I do not believe the issue is important enough for people to worry about. If one believes a post is inappropriate, report it and the moderators deal with it when they get around to it. (If they agree that the post should be dealt with.)
 
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:31 AM   #60
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The problem with the above statement is it's probably one of the biggest generalizations I've ever heard. It's almost akin to saying to a rape victim "it's ok, that happens, just get on with life and you'll be fine". Would you really say something like that in that case? I don't think so.

And for god only know how many times now, it's not about making any major or "sweeping" changes! I don't know how many times one has to say that. It's not about taking the forum "too seriously". And yet again, I've just reported a dupe post and have just checked the "View forum leaders" and guess what? No mod's for the Newbie forum are logged in, therefore at the current time, there was only one mod logged in - not any that mod the Newbie forum. Therefore if the poster was an aggressive one, things could get way out of hand - which creates yet more work for the mod's to have to deal with when they DO login.

The other issue here is that at least some of the members saying that it's not an issue don't login as much as other more regular members do. So it's hardly likely that they would be "taking things too seriously" in the first place. Easy to ignore if you're not even logged in, let alone even have LQ loaded in their browser, to see any posts. And no, I'm not going to log out because of that either. Why should I? What about those that ARE logged in? That do come here more often. It looks like it's bad luck to them if we believe some members. Not really fair IMHO.
 
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