CloudFlare BS

Stéphane Ascoët · 09-20-2019, 03:41 AM

It's not possible. When a Website gives its soul to Cloudflare, all the traffic is send throught this evil.

ondoho · 09-22-2019, 04:32 AM

With an Addon like uMatrix it's possible to block cloudflare for this site.
It still works after that, except for parts of the editor (toolbar buttons). Of course all BBCode can be inserted manually still.
But I do wonder why cloudflare is required for that?!

Stéphane Ascoët · 09-23-2019, 02:25 AM

I don't understand how an ad blocker can help, it has no control over the way the traffic comes from.

Firerat · 09-23-2019, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stéphane Ascoët

I don't understand how an ad blocker can help, it has no control over the way the traffic comes from.

well..
it blocks the cdnjs.cloudflare.com scripts

ondoho · 09-23-2019, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stéphane Ascoët

I don't understand how an ad blocker can help, it has no control over the way the traffic comes from.

Nobody's talking about ad blockers.
You need to see for yourself what uMatrix does.
Of course it can only show me what is visible to the outside.
Maybe LQ is doing more "Cloudflare BS" internally - I don't know. How do you know that?

Stéphane Ascoët · 09-23-2019, 02:54 AM

Because it's the way Cloudflare works(and get money to live for sure). I've seen it since I've got sometimes timeouts on LQ: the error message doesn't come from LQ servers but from Cloudflare ones, even saying that LQ uses uses "the always online Cloudflare service". Cloudflare clearly acts as frontal proxy, so it can read all the traffic, including passwords and so on.

Firerat · 09-23-2019, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stéphane Ascoët

Because it's the way Cloudflare works(and get money to live for sure). I've seen it since I've got sometimes timeouts on LQ: the error message doesn't come from LQ servers but from Cloudflare ones, even saying that LQ uses uses "the always online Cloudflare service". Cloudflare clearly acts as frontal proxy, so it can read all the traffic, including passwords and so on.

use firefox addon
Decentraleyes
or
Local CDN

TenTenths · 09-23-2019, 04:16 AM

Kinda enjoying this thread and the "helpful" input from people who have very little idea about how CDNs and traffic filtering services actually work.

cynwulf · 09-23-2019, 08:52 AM

You're right, of course, though perhaps some have confused Cloudflare with the usual cross site requests to advertisers, etc (I know I did and have to admit that my previous reply was spontaneous and off the cuff).

LQ of course uses Cloudflare and it's correct that you cannot simply block it. You can block some of the scripts, etc but that's about it.

If you ping "www.linuxquestions.org" you can see for yourself that it resolves to "www.linuxquestions.org.cdn.cloudflare.net".

Firerat · 09-23-2019, 09:05 AM

yes, you can block the cdnjs.cloudflare.com
but it is pointless.

but in general it is better to block everything and whitelist what you trust.

ondoho · 09-23-2019, 01:56 PM

Thank you for the clarifications, cynwulf and Stéphane Ascoët.
I stand corrected (and I could have done that myself had I thought a little harder).

I agree it's less than desirable.
A simply hosted website like they did in 1999 would be much nicer.
But LQ isn't that anymore now, is it.
What would be a better alternative to the sort of services cloudflare provides?

Firerat · 09-23-2019, 03:22 PM

the only problem I have with cloudflare is they get over zealous with tor
however, if people are using tor to mount attacks I understand why they do.

dugan · 09-24-2019, 08:17 AM

Jeremy used to serve client-side scripts (they make things like the advanced posting editor work) from Google CDNs. He moved them to Cloudflare after people (quite a few, actually) complained.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...6/#post5345094

The part that the OP is complaining about is something else. It would be done by a Cloudflare proxy, not a CDN, and would not be blockable by site visitors. I haven't had a problem, but I'm actually a bit curious as to why LQ needs (or needed) that.

Firerat · 09-24-2019, 08:41 AM

if it is just tor being blocked I think ( not certain ) that can be configured by cloudflare's client.

in the past LQ would block tor unless you logged in with an active account.
I don't know how it behaves these days.

syg00 · 09-24-2019, 06:38 PM

I had wondered what you were all complaining about - just bumped into it myself. Having had gateway issues previously, and (many) timeouts on the old CDNs, this is just another iteration. This seems to be less prone to being intrusive to the client (me) in terms of interruptions I see.