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Old 02-26-2016, 09:03 PM   #1
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I am aware that there are some threads here that deal with some subcategories of Wine issues, however they ado not seem to be visibly organized in a logical hierarchy.

Therefore, for now I am starting this one, but hopefully this will get the attention of Linux questions administrators so they can make a "tree view" of all of these and place this thread under a common title of "wine Issues" along with its logical siblings from the other distributions.


At first look, It seems to me that wine is far underdeveloped from where it needs to be to be of practical use.

However I am not a programmer,developer, financier etc... so I can only point to the issues I run into.
 
Old 02-26-2016, 09:16 PM   #2
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Angry Canadian (& Quebec) Income tax returns in wine.

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I am aware that there are some threads here that deal with some subcategories of Wine issues, however they ado not seem to be visibly organized in a logical hierarchy.

Therefore, for now I am starting this one, but hopefully this will get the attention of Linux questions administrators so they can make a "tree view" of all of these and place this thread under a common title of "wine Issues" along with its logical siblings from the other distributions.


At first look, It seems to me that wine is far underdeveloped from where it needs to be to be of practical use.

However I am not a programmer,developer, financier etc... so I can only point to the issues I run into.
Use of Ufile (Windows disk edition) with wine in Quebec.

1) This refers to use in English. However I would expect that "Impot Exert" (the French Canadian equivalent would function in the same manner, differing only in the text used.)

For English users in Quebec, one would normally simply install Ufile 2015, and the Quebec issues would automatically be taken care of when the Taxpayer's domicile is shown in to be Quebec.

(All that to eliminate any panics about Quebec's differences, as from past experience I see no reason for anyone to
worry.)

I have tried many ways tioo install Ufile in wine. It appears to install, but there are many shortcomings that appear to be more arising from Wine that prevent the application from running, importing past data, or opening the interview screens.

Some of the shortcomings seen:

Some of these include (but are not limited to) the inability to copy and paste files and folders from Nautilus into Winefile, or via wine explorer.

1) Difficulty to find a listing that allows one to start applications that may hive been installed but do not show along with the basic apps that come with Wine.

2) In True Win XP, I can search a disk for file of 0 bytes, in an effort to search and destroy. Not so it seems in Wine.

There are many more difificult situations it makes me think that there is not enough funding to truly make wine viable :-(
 
Old 02-27-2016, 01:02 PM   #3
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the inability to copy and paste files and folders from Nautilus into Winefile, or via wine explorer.
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why would want to ?

the wine folders are simple links to the gnome folders
/home/YourUserName/Downloads
is linked to
/home/YourUserName/.wine/drive_c/users/YourUserName/Downloads

if you "copy/paste" a folder it is a infinite recursive error


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In True Win XP, I can search a disk for file of 0 bytes, in an effort to search and destroy. Not so it seems in Wine.
again Why ?

wine IS NOT a real Microsoft install
it is a EMULATOR

it is SIMULATING a windows install using your LINUX install


if you want a REAL old and unsupported XP ( garbage) install
use a VM

fedora has KVM by default

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Old 02-27-2016, 02:42 PM   #4
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wine IS NOT a real Microsoft install
it is a EMULATOR
If we go to Wine's project page WineHQ.org, we read
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why would want to ?
This question tears me in two ways.

OTOH, the Linux way is almost always hands-down better, more efficient, more logical and easier than the Windows way. So why oh why would someone want to do something the Windows if they have the great advantage of Linux?

But OTOH, Wine not only allows us to run (some) Windows software as if it were native to Linux, it also seeks to imitate a Windows user experience for those who want it. If someone chooses to use a feature available under Linux (through Wine), why oppose them?

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Old 02-28-2016, 10:59 AM   #5
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Basically, you have two issues.

Firstly, you want to use Wine as an emulator for Windows. As has been pointed out, it isn't. It runs Windows software. If you want to do anything else (e.g. search for an empty file), use Linux.

Secondly, you're having trouble with Ufile. From their own web-site, it seems that the program is picky: it won't run on any version of Windows before 7. You may find a Wine version that works better with it. My one Windows program has been tested on 17 versions of Wine and works properly on just 6!

Solution: Try a different tax program (see Wikipedia for a list) or use one of the on-line services.
 
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"More overtaxed Wine".

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Basically, you have two issues.

Firstly, you want to use Wine as an emulator for Windows. As has been pointed out, it isn't. It runs Windows software. If you want to do anything else (e.g. search for an empty file), use Linux.

Secondly, you're having trouble with Ufile. From their own web-site, it seems that the program is picky: it won't run on any version of Windows before 7. You may find a Wine version that works better with it. My one Windows program has been tested on 17 versions of Wine and works properly on just 6!

Solution: Try a different tax program (see Wikipedia for a list) or use one of the on-line services.
Two years ago I was able to use UFILE with wine. Last Year I tried Turbotax, and that didn't work.

this year (Taxation year 2015) I went back to UFILE, however none of the Canadian Tax softwares I have seen will work in anything below Win 7.

But then I found out how to set the version of Win that wine is to imitate to win 10, but still it all is as buggy as before.

I am not a developer, I am a retired electronic technician. I have many other things to do with my time than get dragged into being a developer.

So, along the way I am creating a "tax interview" in Libre Office Calg (.ODS).

If nothing else works in time for tax deadline, I will take the results of the spreadsheet and let the government fight with the submission technicalities in person. (this would not be the first time for that.)

That spreadsheet can also be used later as a apart of a "Worthwhileness of Working" application to evaluate different working conditions, some of which may be more detrimental to the would-be worker than helpful, partly due to taxation rules here.

That would be more for future years, and the year by year changes can be replicated each year, as needed.
 
Old 03-29-2017, 11:59 PM   #7
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More of Wine and Taxes.

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Two years ago I was able to use UFILE with wine. Last Year I tried Turbotax, and that didn't work.

this year (Taxation year 2015) I went back to UFILE, however none of the Canadian Tax softwares I have seen will work in anything below Win 7.

But then I found out how to set the version of Win that wine is to imitate to win 10, but still it all is as buggy as before.

I am not a developer, I am a retired electronic technician. I have many other things to do with my time than get dragged into being a developer.

So, along the way I am creating a "tax interview" in Libre Office Calg (.ODS).

If nothing else works in time for tax deadline, I will take the results of the spreadsheet and let the government fight with the submission technicalities in person. (This would not be the first time for that.)

That spreadsheet can also be used later as a apart of a "Worthwhileness of Working" application to evaluate different working conditions, some of which may be more detrimental to the would-be worker than helpful, partly due to taxation rules here.

That would be more for future years, and the year by year changes can be replicated each year, as needed.
This year I have a new machine in addition to that. this is a Lenovo Laptop modified to dual boot Win 7 (Secondary) and Fedora 25 (Primary.).

The Fedors installation also has Wine installed.

Tomorrow morning I plan to buy the salles version of ufile (which, in Quebec comes with Import expert to manage the Quebec returns. For anyone not familiar with Queuec's tax system Quebec is the only Canadian province where resients must also file a prpovincial return in addition to the Canadian Federal. since the rules differ somewhat from the Federal once a resident has done their Federal return (less the added rider used in all provinces except quebec) they thencarry over to do the Quebec return, and many of the details of the federal are automatically incorporarted in the Quebec return, but not all.

At the same time, I am waiting for a tax preparer to do a return and either one can be a backup for the other on the fly as may prove needed.

Even if this does not have to file an actual return, it will serve as a good independent learning exercise to better see what really works and what doesn't.

More than that, time will tell.
 
Old 03-30-2017, 04:02 PM   #8
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I hastily tried to get this years tax software to run under common wine and it failed.

Guess you could always at least try Crossover Office's product.
 
  


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