Cyrillic ?!

manatwork · 06-21-2005, 03:26 PM

what shoul i do/install to view web pages in Cyrillic??
i already tryed "View->Character Encoding->Cyrillic (all of them)" in Firefox, nothing!
i`m using MiniSlack.

bigrigdriver · 06-21-2005, 07:28 PM

Do you want web pages to default to Cryllic, or do you want to see web pages in Cryllic, as well as other languages?

To default to Cryllic, you would probably have to re-install your distro, selecting a language which uses Cryllic alphabet.

To see Cryllic web pages, as well as other languages, you need to install the languages you want to see. Or perhaps, re-install the distro, select Custom Installation, and select the language packages you want.

everal · 06-21-2005, 10:17 PM

I am using slackware.

Whem I installed, I selected several languages... you have international support, and then you can select wich languages you want...

Look KDE for cyrillic support.

I am sure you don't need to re-install...

Just D'ont Panic !!!

Give a look at the KDE Control Center, Regional/Accessibility , Country/Region & Language and try to add some cyrillic language, like the russian.

At Firefox, it is not a question of select the encoding... you need to ADD THE LANGUAGE. Go

Edit
Preferences
General
Languages
Languages (again, as sub-menu)
Select language to add (then you can select russian, bulgarian, etc, as you wish......)

It is very late here at my side of the planet... :-) if you still need it , after try as I said, write here again and I will look it better...

One more thing: consider take a look at the Firefox forum. Go to mozilla.com, select the firefox area and then search the forum archive.

It is not like here... the mozilla forums are very confuse... :-( but maybe you will resolve it there..

хорошо?

manatwork · 06-22-2005, 01:49 AM

probably i should call my self newbie in linux....
so, i can`t find any language setting in my Xfce Settings Manager (are thouse all the settings that i have?).
i don`t know about KDE, do i have it in MiniSlack?

i tryed in "Firefox Edit->Preferences->Languages..." - doesn`t help!

i wan`t to view web pages in Cyrillic as well as other languages.
if i should install some language packages, maybe someone can give ideas?

i tryed my Minislack cd, and that way, i don`t think i can do something without reinstalling all system, but i`m still newbie at this!!

everal · 06-22-2005, 10:14 AM

You said:

"... tryed in "Firefox Edit->Preferences->Languages..." - doesn`t help!.."

Why exactly is it not working?

What happened exactly?

Didi you do it until the end, until you "add language", then select a cyrilic one, add it, and SEE it included ?

Sorry if you don't use KDE.. my mistake... :-)

I have also a Fluxbox and whem I use it, I also can see cyrillic pages using Firefox. So please, tell me exactly what happened whem you tried to add the language to Firefox.

I will take a look at Firefox forum, while you answer me that.

bye bye

everal · 06-22-2005, 11:13 AM

hey back...

After ADD russian in Firefox, try these two urls and tell me what happens:

Fisrt - http://www.photodome.ru/Main_Page.html

Second - http://club.foto.ru/

1- I changed to Fluxbox, so I am sure this isn't a KDE thing.

2- I tried the first page. I couldn't see it... :-(

2-1 I looked at the source code and saw that it was WRONG, or at least incomplet. There was NO declaration of the language. As you can see in lots of web pages, you have something like:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

The Bold in B]EN[/B] is mine, to show that there is the place where say what language should be used (among other option)

This example is from THIS SAME page, I meam, the http://www.linuxquestions.org page where I am typing this answer.

Well, as there is NO INFO about language at that russian bad formed web page, the browser you use the defaut, that mean in most of the cases English and the respective encoding.

So I just selected in Firefox : View --> Character Encoding --> Auto-Detect --> russian

And then Voilá ! The page is OK.

3- The second page I could see without probblem.

I looked at the code and there we can see:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="windows-1251"?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="ru" lang="ru">

As you see, we have as first thing the rught encoding, and the xml lang deffinition.

4- Look this:
http://www.mozilla.org/support/firef...ions#languages

5- Tha can be an Xor thing.

5.1- Look at :

/etc/X11/xorg.conf

In:

# ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules

you must have:
FontPath "usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"

among other fonts.

AND OF COURSE you must have the cyrillic font at that place !!! So look at
"usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"

to see if the fonts are there or not...

Bye and please tell me if you resolved it

manatwork · 06-25-2005, 02:55 AM

i just now get to my linux and tryed,
so, i tryed "Firefox Edit->Preferences->Languages..." all to the end, untill i added russian language. nothing happend, i just added and pressed OK, when i reload Firefox i still can`t see Cyrillic web pages.

i tryed thouse two links, and both are the same, i can`t view cyrillic characters, just some squares.... - so, no characters, no letters.

but i will try that Fluxbox.
i will try it and post what happend!!

everal · 06-25-2005, 01:10 PM

hey back,

ok, BUT:

1- Did you look for the cyrillic Fonts and the path at xorg.conf, as I said in the last post?

2- Fluxbox is just another window manager, if you DO NOT HAVE the fonts and/or the xorg.conf pointing to them, it won't work.

3- By the way, if you haven't lot's of memory, fluxbox is great. It is a little confusing to start, boring to configure the way you like it, but great after all that.
If you have memory, try KDE. It is the most easy to use and configure. But it takes more memory than fluxbox. A lot more.

bye bye

manatwork · 06-26-2005, 01:01 PM

i`m back to my home pc.....
so, i just looked at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
# ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules
FontPath "usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
i have that all!

then i looked at "usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
but the folder "cyrillic" is empty

, like some others at "usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/" (like "speedo" "local" and "100dpi").
should it be like that?
maybe i just need to download something and install, anyway i`ll try look for something..

i don`t want to write here my all problems with linux that i want to fix, but just one small thing about Fluxbox, maybe some ideas "why?" - i downloaded Fluxbox, here http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/f...-0.1.14.tar.gz
then i did like it says in Fluxbox documentation and after i typed "make" in the end i`ve got error1

, i went forward, typed "make install" - another error!
maybe just some ideas why i get that error?
i`m still using Minislack.

everal · 06-27-2005, 01:54 PM

hey...

I do have all those fonts installed(and 100dpi , speedo, etc).

I can post it to you, if you wish.

Write me at everal@everal.net , so I will have your e-mail, and then I answer you with the fonts, and you just put it at the folder.

About the Fluxbox, I must confess that I never used the Minislack, but I suppose that is some kind of Slackware. (maybe you can find the fonts at slackware site, under packages?)

You can isntall it using the installpkg , instead of compiling.

And there is more,:

THIS IS IMPORTANT:

The version you are trying to install, 0.1.14, is no longer supported.

You must get the 0.9.12

I've installed it with this command:

installpkg fluxbox-beta-0.9.12-athlon-1.tgz

But attention: I download the athlon version, because my processor is an athlon..

You must go to

www.fluxbox.org

give a look at the site, there are some docs there and etc.

Then you can click on packages' link and choose slackware and download it . There are some options, depending on your slack version. But , is Minislack a slckware? Wich version?

Now the are in version 0.9.13 if you choose to download to compile by self.

bye bye

everal · 07-01-2005, 08:22 AM

Hey back..

pardon me if I couldn't answer before...

You will maybe need to recompile your kernel, and choose native Cyrillic support.

You already have the fonts installed, and the correct browser configuration.

I can't understand why that isn't working.

So this is my suggestion: recompile. You have some good guides; just go to Slackware forum, and you will see, at the top, some kernel compilation guides

manatwork · 07-06-2005, 06:10 AM

I found the solution:
just installpkg
1) cabextract-0.6-i386-1dl.tgz
2) freetype2-2.1.4rc2-i386-4dl.tgz
3) webfonts-1.0-i386-3dl.tgz

abv · 07-19-2005, 07:02 AM

Hi there after all I read and tried it is still not working for me..
the silly thing is that with the netscape I have nice cyrillic fonts but not for the firefox. Does someone have suggestions.
I use firefox 1.7.8 on slackware 10.1 and blackbox
thanks

manatwork · 07-19-2005, 08:11 AM

you tried all what can be read at this post??

******(1) do you have something in "usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
******(2) look at "/etc/X11/" just open in some text editor fille "xorg.conf" and take a goog look at that file, do you have there somewhere this line: FontPath "usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
******(3) search the web and find three files:
cabextract-0.6-i386-1dl.tgz
freetype2-2.1.4rc2-i386-4dl.tgz
webfonts-1.0-i386-3dl.tgz
******(4) instal them one by one, use: installpkg
******(5) i don`t know if all of that needed, but do it anyway, unless i did already
******(6) aa, and maybe add cyrillic languages to firefox:
Edit -> Preferences -> General -> Languages -> Select language to add (then you can select russian, bulgarian, etc, as you wish......)

i did that all and now i can view web pages in cyrillic.
maybe if you have windows installed or some place alse where you can view cyrillic pages, and if you understand russian, so you can look at some russinans linux forums, there are a lot of stuff!!!
good luck!

abv · 07-19-2005, 09:12 AM

So I confirm :-)
-- the /usr/X11R6/lib/x11/fonts/cyrillic directory is not empty
-- the xorg.conf contains the above line
-- there is freetype but no cabexec nor webfonts. I dont think however that I need them. Or at least I would like to try another solution :-)

I think that the problem that I have is mostly linked to a bad config file, but I can't find its location. The reason that I think so is that when I launch my netscape i go to edit -> preferences -> appearance -> fonts and there for cyrillic I have different entrys than in mozilla. There are fonts like cronyx I dont know what etc. In the firefox there are only the default ones like serif, sans serif, lucida, monospace etc. Where is the place to config that? silly but sticky

thanx