Ok guys so i know this is possible but iam not sure what is going on here.

So iam using xinit to start surf browser.

I do not want a display or window manager.

I want to start surf in the X window system only and in full screen mode.

I need it to be compatible in any system it is run on.

The problem i am having is when i start surf using the .xinitrc file, it starts full screen

but only is taking up a corner of the screen at the top left.

also a single window launcher would work for me too , if there is such a thing.....?

Look at surfs docs and set the size of it.
https://www.mankier.com/1/surf
Does -F work? How about xprop?
It must be launching with a specific size.
Does it have a . config file?

Yes -F is used for full screen and surf is in full screen mode but not utilizing all the resolution available from X. X is also in full screen mode and working properly.

xinit does this with many programs and it has something to do with setting its window space. But i don't know how to do, i need someone who is familiar with X server when it was more widely used for these things, like this back in the early 2000s.

Just try it for your self, install surf and drop into a tty. Add surf -F www.google.com to your .xinitrc file and type startx

I need some people to help me troubleshoot this. Also its EXTREMELY useful to run in lightweight secure environments where you only want a system for running 1 application.

I have a 1920x1080 monitor.

From ~/.dillo/dillorc
From tty
starts dillo at 1200x1000 pixels.

Try again
Opens dillo fullscreen. Tabs work, slide bar works, links work. No window manager corners/headers, keybindings ect. Because there are none.

Same with xterm and rox filer.
You'll need to find out how to config surf.

Let the forum know when you find it. Others will benefit.
https://surf.suckless.org/files/

Look at:
man xprop
man xwininfo
https://surf.suckless.org/

So dillo does work with the geometry settings either in the command line or in the xinit file.

surf on the other hand does not work with geometry.

I think i might just go with rat poison and surf.

I really would like to get surf going without a wm , but i just cant see it happening.

I'm intrigued.
I can see a few more options in surf's man page, e.g. -e (reparenting to root window possible?) and -x (xdotool?).
Try with xprop as mentioned:
1. start surf
2. get WINID
3. adjust geometry with xprop

From what i have seemed to find is that when using xdotool or wmcrtl i cant seem to get a winid when i scan for one. I think this is because there is no window manager what so ever installed. Now with some research on Google i have seen some people claim otherwise, but iam not sure this is the case. I might be doing something wrong. As far as xprop, no i have not tried this and i think it might actually work. The other problem i have is resolution , this needs to be able to work on many rackmount systems in server racks. Most systems are at least 1080p, but this is not the case with server rack mounts. The resolution can be much lower in average, which causes an issue even when using a tool to force a resolution setting on the window. As far as xprop, what should i do? What are some other ways to get a window id without wmctrl or xdotool? As these tools dont seem to find any winids?