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Old 11-01-2020, 08:25 PM   #16
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There have been several very good suggestions.
I would like to add another if I may.

Please boot to the live image from the install DVD/USB that you used and while the live image is running you can run the commands suggested.
lspci | grep VGA
and send us the result
dmesg | less
look for anything that may be related to the video card you found with the lspci command and / or just video related. save that and send it to us.
finally
uname -a
and send the result to us.

That will allow us to make better informed suggestions.
Thank you and we will expect to be able to help with good information.
I can't the machine no longer boots I'll buy a disk and see if that works.
I need to get away from these before I introduce them to my hammers.
 
Old 11-01-2020, 09:14 PM   #17
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I had to make a CD, install, only to discover I had to go hunt a "nonfree" file,
A CD that only includes the installation program may be what you should be downloading, the "netinst" .iso. It's quite a small download, and gets all, and only, the packages you need from the internet. You shouldn't have to "hunt" for firmware if you choose to use it.

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The one with Gnome (failed) and one with KDE? Presently the machine hangs up at gnome display manager, a very common problem on the web with hundreds of suggestions but no solutions.
You must have missed one. KDE is happiest with SDDM or LightDM, antagonistic with GDM. If you prefer KDE, purge GDM and install one of the other DMs.

BTW, at this point, knowing precisely what hardware you have is likely one key to a successful installation. My inxi request in comment 11 was intended to address this, and more. lspci only provides part of the information I'm looking for.
 
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Old 11-02-2020, 05:05 AM   #18
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the Pi works but not like it should. It doesn't do video and has no sound.
I am using to get here, hunt down the files I need, then talk to the wife to use her windows machine to get the files and make a CD.

She built my PC on 2011. AMD chipset, maximum ram (8gb maybe 16gb ram) video probably has 4GB ram, 2 500mb sta hardrives. It should run debian, it ran windows 7 through 10.
Yes, your PC should handle most distros OK, maybe try using a live distro to check everything works OK, then install it; one that I would recommend you trying is MX Linux, should work well on your hardware, & is Debian based.

Re the RPi, you will need to alter a file called config.txt, (found in the first partition), see this page :-
https://www.raspberrypi.org/document...hdmi-config.md
 
Old 11-02-2020, 10:22 AM   #19
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A CD that only includes the installation program may be what you should be downloading, the "netinst" .iso. It's quite a small download, and gets all, and only, the packages you need from the internet. You shouldn't have to "hunt" for firmware if you choose to use it.

You must have missed one. KDE is happiest with SDDM or LightDM, antagonistic with GDM. If you prefer KDE, purge GDM and install one of the other DMs.

BTW, at this point, knowing precisely what hardware you have is likely one key to a successful installation. My inxi request in comment 11 was intended to address this, and more. lspci only provides part of the information I'm looking for.
I will try to figure out everything in this PC and get back with you in a week or two.
I need to step away and enjoy our last week of weather above freezing here in Ohio

Well I have a live version installing, I am at a screen that looks like a desktop with an Icon that says install debian. I can actually read all the text this time.

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Old 11-02-2020, 11:21 AM   #20
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A CD that only includes the installation program may be what you should be downloading, the "netinst" .iso. It's quite a small download, and gets all, and only, the packages you need from the internet. You shouldn't have to "hunt" for firmware if you choose to use it.

You must have missed one. KDE is happiest with SDDM or LightDM, antagonistic with GDM. If you prefer KDE, purge GDM and install one of the other DMs.

BTW, at this point, knowing precisely what hardware you have is likely one key to a successful installation. My inxi request in comment 11 was intended to address this, and more. lspci only provides part of the information I'm looking for.
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Troubleshooting X nearly always requires sharing the X log. Traditional location is /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it may be found in ~/.local/share/xorg/. It needs to be uploaded to a file sharing site such as https://pastebin.com/ and the URL thereto provided here. It can also uploaded via cmdline:
Code:
pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
This smells like required firmware is missing, or the target PC is newer than the Debian version, and/or the installer included KMS disabling in the grub.cfg linu* lines (nomodeset or *.modeset=0).

Code:
inxi -SMGIxx
from an X terminal pasted here wrapped in code tags ( [ # ] above the input window)might be helpful as well.
I have a live version running off a cd. I opened an LXTerminal typed in lspci | grep VGA
I get lspci command not found
I type pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
I get bash: pastebinit: command not found
so I try sudo in front of that sudo pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
I get sudo: pastebinit: command not found
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks
 
Old 11-02-2020, 12:05 PM   #21
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I want to thank everyone, I have a working debian desktop. This time I installed from another CD I made. I can read all the text, the window while not as large as my screen is useable.
This will let me get started on learning another OS.

thanks again for tolerating me.
 
Old 11-02-2020, 01:01 PM   #22
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Live version of what? Apparently you picked one with limited capabilities, apparently intended mainly as a desktop demo rather than for troubleshooting or repairs. I recommend Knoppix for live Linux usage. It doesn't hide troubleshooting commands. Pastebinit is included in most debian-based installations, and lspci is included in all installations. Xorg.0.log from a live media boot won't help much. Inxi is more useful than lspci for X troubleshooting. If it is not found in a live boot, it can be easily installed to the live boot by following the installation instruction on the inxi web site.
 
Old 11-02-2020, 01:03 PM   #23
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I can read all the text, the window while not as large as my screen is useable.
Inxi and Xorg.0.log as I previously requested can help us help you get the maximum your display is capable of providing.
 
Old 11-02-2020, 03:31 PM   #24
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Live version of what? Apparently you picked one with limited capabilities, apparently intended mainly as a desktop demo rather than for troubleshooting or repairs. I recommend Knoppix for live Linux usage. It doesn't hide troubleshooting commands. Pastebinit is included in most debian-based installations, and lspci is included in all installations. Xorg.0.log from a live media boot won't help much. Inxi is more useful than lspci for X troubleshooting. If it is not found in a live boot, it can be easily installed to the live boot by following the installation instruction on the inxi web site.
https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ the bit torrent is the version I used this time, vs the network install I had been using.
live version of debian is what the installer said. (I had 4 or 5 options) I was running debian off the CD, then installed it from the CD by clicking on the Icon Install debian.
Had to select how concerning the hard drive, username and passwords.

It seems to work, I was able to update everything in a LXterminal, I can read the font and the drop down windows. I have administrator privileges.
The task bar needs work but I am slowly figuring that out. There is way more software installed then I was expecting. Looks like 4 or 5 terminals.

there is a clipit icon that has the words lspci along with midori, chromium libjaoncppi remove all offline mode, about manage history, preferences and quit.
Doesn't appear to do anything when I click on those words (I tried lspci and chromium) but it does make the font bolder

I managed to install Midori, Kicad and Brasero. I'm going to guess this is a GTK theme according to the about file on the clipit icon.

Took me 10 attempts at installs to get here, if this is not right, it is pretty close.

looks like I failed again, I am not authorized to install a printer.
I give up, I will beg my wife to reinstall windows and give the 3 raspberry pis away,
this is way too much BS for me. I'll just be like the young kids and use my phone for everything, it works with the printer!

Last edited by OhioGuy; 11-02-2020 at 08:13 PM. Reason: I am done with linux
 
Old 11-04-2020, 06:40 PM   #25
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Debian is not promoted as an optimal choice for Newbies. Mint, MX, the *buntus and several others do more to make life easier for newbies. We could have better helped you had you provided some info about your desktop PC's hardware as asked for early on. You should check out some of the descriptions on https://distrowatch.com before giving up on Linux.
 
  


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