How long does it take to install palemoon with sboui on slackware.

generic.newb · 03-09-2020, 12:05 AM

Hello, So i started playig with slackware on my really low end notebook - intel atom and 1G ram. Long story short i managed to get sboui up and running and i launched it to install palemoon and all of it's dependencies. Little did I know. It has been probably over 10 hours now. So here is the question i wanna ask: How long could it take from now on?

Currenylt its doing this:

Code:

708:21.05 /tmp/SBo/obj-palemoon/dist/include/mozilla/Casting.h:51:3: warning: 'result' may be used uninitialized in this function [-Wmaybe-uninitialized]
708:21.06    u.mFrom = aFrom;
708:21.06    ^
708:21.06 In file included from /tmp/SBo/obj-palemoon/js/src/Unified_cpp_js_src39.cpp:47:0:
708:21.07 /tmp/SBo/UXP-PM28.8.2.1_Release/js/src/wasm/WasmTextToBinary.cpp:1898:11: note: 'result' was declared here
708:21.08      Float result;
708:21.08            ^
717:53.27 libjs_static.a
718:01.24 libxul_s.a.desc
718:01.24 libxul.so
726:22.03 plugin-container
726:22.45 xpcshell
726:31.12 libbrowsercomps.so
726:50.70 /tmp/SBo/UXP-PM28.8.2.1_Release/dom/inputmethod/Keyboard.jsm: WARNING: no preprocessor directives found
726:55.42 /tmp/SBo/UXP-PM28.8.2.1_Release/toolkit/modules/NewTabUtils.jsm: WARNING: no preprocessor directives found
727:03.99 /tmp/SBo/UXP-PM28.8.2.1_Release/services/sync/SyncComponents.manifest: WARNING: no useful preprocessor directives found
727:04.08 dependentlibs.list
728:51.22 /tmp/SBo/UXP-PM28.8.2.1_Release/application/palemoon/base/content/autocomplete.xml: WARNING: no preprocessor directives found
729:15.23 /tmp/SBo/UXP-PM28.8.2.1_Release/application/palemoon/themes/linux/autocomplete.css: WARNING: no preprocessor directives found
729:18.94 Packaging quitter@mozilla.org.xpi...
729:20.12 306 compiler warnings present.
mach interrupted by signal or user action. Stopping.
Error: build failed.

and... never mind because I pressed ctrl+c to copy but instead cancelled it. God, please tell me it would still take really long from now on.

redneonglow · 03-09-2020, 12:11 AM

While I'm not familiar with compiling Pale Moon from source, as user of Gentoo (a distro where everything is compiled from source) I can tell you that Firefox and Tor Browser take a very long time to compile. It takes about an hour on my 2018-era desktop and 5 hours on my 2015-era laptop. For this reason the Gentoo project makes binary packages available for Firefox and others which take a long time on slow computers like LibreOffice and OpenJDK.

ondoho · 03-09-2020, 02:02 AM

Compiling palemoon takes ~1h (I never timed it though) on a 2-core, 4-thread all intel CPU from 2015 with 8GB of RAM and a cheap SSD.

On that netbook, I think you should use precompiled versions.

If you are set on trying this, you could check what tmp (temporary) space the compiler uses, maybe there's a bottleneck. 10h does sound a bit too long (current palemoon compiles faster than current firefox).

generic.newb · 03-11-2020, 09:41 PM

Thanks for replies. There is a binary version of palemoon in sboui but it won't install it because link to the package is dead/wrong. I tried portable palemoon but it worked really badly. Is it like software compiled on one machine is somehow automatically optimised for it and works better afterwards, or it doesn't matter unless I tweak it manually myself eg. strip it from debug code? If it doesn't matter alot if software is precompiled is it a common practice to compile on one machine and then install on a different machine in situatino when there is no precompiled package avilable? I don't know how to do It yet, for now I'm relayign on sboui and I'm making first attepts in installing third party software without sboui. Currently I'm looking for a suitable web browser because preinstalled firefox is still quite slow. I managed ot get chromium but it worked even worse than palemoon. I also tried to install and run qbit torrent in the meantime. I installed listed dependencies and managed to installe qbit torrent but it wouldn't run and when ran from command line it returned error about missing something more. Mayb dependencies had dependencies idk. Right now im installing "qtbrowser" with all of it's dependencies with sboui package managaer which was listed as light/keyboard-oriented webbrowser. It had alot of dependencies and it's all installing now. Guess I;ll let it run for a few days and se whet happens. xP

JWJones · 03-11-2020, 09:55 PM

It took me a couple of hours (I think) to compile palemoon on my ThinkPad T61 (Core 2 Duo T8100, 8GB RAM, circa 2008?). Don't know for sure, I went to bed and let it do it's thing. Nice and fast, though, better than FF.

generic.newb · 03-12-2020, 04:14 PM

Update. I think it hung up. after two days X{ @EDIT nope! It's running! were good. Third night ahead.

vtel57 · 03-12-2020, 05:11 PM

The easy way...

From Palemoon's website:

Quote:

Installation:

It is not necessary to install Pale Moon to use it. Pale Moon for Linux is distributed as a bzipped tarball that can be extracted and run from any location on your system.

- extract the binary package to /opt (or /home/<username> - for single user)
- create a launcher on your panel
- click launcher to open Palemoon browser

Takes about a minute to do all this depending on how quickly your system can extract the binary.

generic.newb · 03-12-2020, 09:10 PM

Yea I did do that as said in the post before. But palemoon turned out to be extremely slow. I'm installing Qt browser straight up from sboui now. It'll be third night of it installin now, hope it'll work tolerably.

redneonglow · 03-12-2020, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by generic.newb

Yea I did do that as said in the post before. But palemoon turned out to be extremely slow. I'm installing Qt browser straight up from sboui now. It'll be third night of it installin now, hope it'll work tolerably.

Palemoon was always slow for me. I don't use it anymore because of how the developers blacklist addons that cut into their profits, but it was always slow when compared to post-Quantum Firefox or Chrome. I've come to like post-Quantum Firefox a lot more than I did when it first came out.

JWJones · 03-13-2020, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by redneonglow

I don't use it anymore because of how the developers blacklist addons that cut into their profits...

What's this all about? I hadn't heard about this, can you point me in the direction of more info on this? Those palemoon devs have rubbed me the wrong way in the past, especially with their reaction to the (former) OpenBSD version of palemoon and their precious branding, but I wasn't aware of this issue.

redneonglow · 03-13-2020, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JWJones

What's this all about? I hadn't heard about this, can you point me in the direction of more info on this? Those palemoon devs have rubbed me the wrong way in the past, especially with their reaction to the (former) OpenBSD version of palemoon and their precious branding, but I wasn't aware of this issue.

They blacklisted AdNauseaum due to it causing "damage" to advertising companies, and they blacklisted NoScript at some point though I had stopped using PM by then and not sure of the details.

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=16504
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=19119

Also they allowed 5 character passwords on their forum at one point: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=19097
That should be enough to raise suspicion about security issues.

JWJones · 03-13-2020, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by redneonglow

They blacklisted AdNauseaum due to it causing "damage" to advertising companies, and they blacklisted NoScript at some point though I had stopped using PM by then and not sure of the details.

Also they allowed 5 character passwords on their forum at one point: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=19097
That should be enough to raise suspicion about security issues.

Wow, thanks for the info. Very telling as to the nature and ego of the developers.

ondoho · 03-13-2020, 04:13 PM

^ I remember when this made the rounds a while back, but upon looking into it then I realised that it's nowhere near as scandalous as some people like to put it. Not starting that discussion again, just recommending to read a little more.

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Originally Posted by generic.newb

I'm installing Qt browser

What browser is that?

generic.newb · 03-17-2020, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ondoho

What browser is that?

sorry, I meant qutebrowser.

Update. I moved with all of it from my notebook to my main pc. Made some progress since then and preety happy with it. I've set up multilib and proprietary drivers for my graphics card and managed to get multiple displays to work. I also somehow managed to get qutebrowser to work now. Not sure if because this time I installed "qutebrowser-tox"(binary) instead of "qutebrowser"(source) from sboui or it needed something that multilib provided. I also got binary version of palemoon through gslapt from 'slackonly' repository -on this pc it works way better than it ever worked for me on windows tbh. As for palemoon I was using it for some time now instead of Firefox because I heard it spies on you less than mozilla but idk. Well good news qutebrowser is up and running. Next thing I do is probably try to install ungoogled chromium.

Now that everything is mostly functional I'll have to look for a way to chose which system on which drive to boot on startup and that started to make me wonder, since I installed slackware with all drives simply unplugged except the one mean for installation in fear I break something and also with lilo as main bootloader (not boot pendrive) is there still some way to have a prompt on startup where I can select which system to boot? Can I for example make a usb drive with GRUB, always boot from it and from there choose whether I want to run Windows, Slackware or any other OS I have on another drive?