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That's just it. You seem to assume some sort of attitude when there is none. I'm simply trying to help the OP and folks such as yourself just seem to automatically assume malice. I don't know why you react the way you do, but it turns people off from trying to help. Want RHEL? You can get RHEL. Pretty simple.
Right...which is what he's been told since the first reply, along with the FACT that RHEL isn't designed for laptops, nor for new users. He was given advice by several folks, and you latch on to wanting the OP to get RHEL 7. No one here ever said the OP couldn't get it, nor that they could get it for free. And what about this:
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And folks wonder why people stop coming to this site...
...doesn't say there is attitude on your part?? Give it a rest...if you want to troll, try someone/somewhere else.
Who said I was trolling? You imply/assume a whole lot based on little information. You might want to look in the mirror with that whole "attitude" thing...
I didn't LATCH ON to ANYTHING. Direct quote from the op, "I am new to linux and was trying to start by installing rhel 7.2 in my laptop". How in the HELL can you infer anything more than me wanting to help op based on this information?! Seriously man, check your ego at the door. Sometimes people just want to help other people without inferring anything more than a helping hand. Enhance your calm.
Well, I can certainly understand getting tired of answering the same questions over and over, but that is the nature of a forum. TBOne's advice is sound, it just comes across very grumpy and sadly that can drive people away. Hopefully the OP will stick it out...
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Originally Posted by daflake007
TBOne's advice is sound, it just comes across very grumpy and sadly that can drive people away. Hopefully the OP will stick it out...
This forum is known for pampering newbies who do not provide information, do not follow recommendations, keep asking the same questions, not reading the anwers and ask question which can easier be found on Google. Forum members who criticize these posters, or try correct the behaviour are often frowned upon or being reprimanded.
Seeing your reaction I assume you read TBOne's posts more often. Then you also know that his first reaction is almost always firm but polite. Only when the OP keeps ignoring advice and doesn't what is asked he becomes grumpy as you say.
Neither Linux, nor the LQ forum benefits from lurkers which have no real interest in Linux, do not follow recommendations and ask questions which can better be answered in Google.
This forum is known for pampering newbies who do not provide information, do not follow recommendations, keep asking the same questions, not reading the anwers and ask question which can easier be found on Google. Forum members who criticize these posters, or try correct the behaviour are often frowned upon or being reprimanded.
Seeing your reaction I assume you read TBOne's posts more often. Then you also know that his first reaction is almost always firm but polite. Only when the OP keeps ignoring advice and doesn't what is asked he becomes grumpy as you say.
Neither Linux, nor the LQ forum benefits from lurkers which have no real interest in Linux, do not follow recommendations and ask questions which can better be answered in Google.
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Having been part of and run several forums myself for many years, I do understand the nature of the beast. The problem usually revolves around people who have been on the forum for many years who simply get tired of the same questions, things like:
Why can't they google that?
Why don't they use the search function?
I just answered this in another thread?
Some people are lazy and simply repost a question that may have been answered in an FAQ. However, the idea of a forum is a place that people should be able to bond and grow. When a place like this starts to lose that, then the forum can become useless. You might as well just build a WIKI at that point.
I have already stumbled across several threads that have snarky retorts from people and that is off putting. I was hoping to jump on this site to expand my knowledge, but maybe I am better off with Google.
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@daflake007,
I don't know what your experience's are with other forums, but I don't think your being fair labelling the whole forum as "off putting". In ANY community in the world your going to get good, bad and somewhere in-between.
In TB0ne's defence, and as said above, he doesn't just have a go at someone for the sake of it. Most members here don't do that and are often very helpful.
The other point is that we are all human, like it or not, and when you have people that do not read what others have already said, refuse to take sound advice, well yes... that would annoy MOST people I know.
If you feel your better off with Google instead, I'm not understanding why your here in the first place. If I thought the same as your saying, I would not be posting here anymore at all.
I think you need to understand these things, before implying that this whole forum must be like your making it out to be.
I don't know what your experience's are with other forums, but I don't think your being fair labelling the whole forum as "off putting". In ANY community in the world your going to get good, bad and somewhere in-between.
In TB0ne's defence, and as said above, he doesn't just have a go at someone for the sake of it. Most members here don't do that and are often very helpful.
The other point is that we are all human, like it or not, and when you have people that do not read what others have already said, refuse to take sound advice, well yes... that would annoy MOST people I know.
If you feel your better off with Google instead, I'm not understanding why your here in the first place. If I thought the same as your saying, I would not be posting here anymore at all.
I think you need to understand these things, before implying that this whole forum must be like your making it out to be.
I never said the "whole forum" although it is now growing. What I said was that I found a few posts like this (lack of moderation perhaps). As for the rest, it is my choice to stay or go. There was no need to for TB0ne to go the route he did above (defend it all you want). If he didn't like the response from the OP, he should have just moved on but berating a new person is just a crap move.
So yes, it is off putting. This is a new person telling you it is... Meh, I am moving on.
Last edited by daflake007; 02-14-2018 at 07:10 AM.
Gentlebeings, maybe this has reached a point where it should be moved to a private message. I rather strongly feel that participants, in any forum anywhere anytime, should never be a topic of forum conversation.
We're all here – participating or not – because we want to be here; because we want to learn and we maybe want to contribute. But: "Real People – Handle With Care."
Now, this particular thread was off to a bad start when it used the subject, Help Me! Of course your crisis is the most important thing to be happening in your world, but if you want an answer you need to phrase ... and title ... your question well. We have "stickies" on that very subject.
A good question has a descriptive title which will attract the people who might know the answer, helping it to stand out from the hundreds of new posts that appear each day. Then, it has a complete presentation, as well as the OP knew how to phrase it, of what the problem seems to be. The devil is often in the details. If people are having to reflect your questions back to you to get those details, you're not getting your answer yet.
Also, this site has a very large archive and a very good search feature. No matter what you're facing, it has probably happened before, and you just might find a complete thread including the answer that you're looking for. (But, check that the thread is fairly recent: Linux technology is constantly evolving.)
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Not being dismissive; again, the OP is a newbie. Never said you COULDN'T get it to work, but there are things an experienced user would 'just know', or find easy to deal with, that a newbie would not. RHEL doesn't even install a GUI by default any longer, so a new user getting a black screen with a login prompt would confuse them, most likely. And having to configure things, map keys, or download firmware to get wifi and volume keys working wouldn't exactly put a pleasant note on a newbies experience. That's why I suggested Fedora (to stay in the RHEL ecosystem), Mint or Ubuntu. Chances are their laptop will 'just work', and get them going.
..and that was seven years ago, when RHEL came with a GUI by default. And even then, I said it's not worth using unless you're paying, to load CentOS instead, and to load something that will work on a laptop better like openSUSE, Ubuntu, or Mandriva (it WAS 7 years ago..)
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