LOL???????????

AMD is not a copy of it

i686 = AMD type (Athlon,XP,Barton...)
i386 = Intel type

apparently what ppl say about amd (quick, cheaper, reliable gamers/overclockers/enthusiasts cpu) is mostly true. however, i think ppl are missing the fact that the p4 can also be overclocked with this new PAT in most 875p and 865p motherboards (MSI NeoFIS2R 875P?) and it is easy to get a whole 1ghz overclock (see the DFI motherboard review at anandtech, where they can run a 2.4ghz p4c at just under 3.4ghz, and it is STABLE).

currently i still think p4 for performance (sure, mhz-by-mhz, amd can do more things per clock cycle or whatever ppl call it, but its clock speed isnt as high as the p4 - if it were, it would blow it away, but it isnt, so currently p4s are better performance chips than bartons?!) but i must wait a month or two longer, i think ill wait for athlon64 release, and if its price drops quick, ill get one, else ill get a p4 (whose price would have dropped with respect to what it is now in order to counter the threat of the amd64). i think 1gig of corsair ram is preferred to 2gig of generic/samsung stuff?(4x512mb). also, whats happening at the graphics front? is the radeon9800pro256mb better than the geforcefx5900ultra256mb? and when are new boards gonna be released - does anyone know?!

i think nvidia lead now for the linux drivers

Easy to install and good in 3D.

Ati drivers for linux still in devloppement.

for me, linux is a side-thing, until i learn to master it - or at least get more proficient with the commands and the ins-and-outs of the kernel. i am mainly (to your shock and horror!) a windows user - most of the useful software that comes with the medical student books that i buy are windows only, and are quite an invaluable resource which i cannot be without!


performance wise, i am interested in the fastest card at the moment - and most games run with windows instead of linux dont they? i use mandrake91 whenever i venture into linux-land!

buy a pentium 486 DX2 66mhz + 16 mb of ram with a ciryx video card (256kb)

I think is the best computer in the world

haha just kiddying

I have both a Pentium 4 and a AMD Athlon 700 MHz (Classic). I mainly used my AMD system the most. I use my P4 for compiling video and 3D. Pentium 4 are fast when they have to chunk out huge data like multimedia and memory bandwidth hungry games. They are worthless when it comes to bussiness related products like Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Access, etc. If you are a gamer you will see huge benefits when using a P4 with 800 MHz FSB using the fastest memory. For everyday applications like business, the speed of P4 is not fast at all. The benchmarks tells you crap. All what benchmarks gives you is estimates of about 10 to 50 percent in tolerance. For benchmarking use a stopwatch. This tells you the true speed of the system components. If you disabled SSEC2 in the program you will see that P4 will come behind AMD. AMD doesn't need any software optimizations to push itself to the the top. AMD keeps it simple in their chip designs. Hyperthreading is just a sale gimmick try to trick software that it is running on two processors. Its best to use two or more physical processors for multi-threading applications.

To clear up on AMD processors. AMD took core of an 80386 (yes from INTEL) and used it throughout their processor designs. This means it is a copy but an optimize copy of an INTEL processor.

In the LINUX environment, nForce chipsets and Radeon doesn't mix well. You can buy VIA's new chipsets for AMD processors though you should not see any noticable difference in speed between the two chipsets.

I hope AMD research the computer industry before naming their speed for their 64 bit processors. Cyrix had the same naming scheme as AMD naming scheme. Cyrix didn't sell very good back then. AMD better not name the speed like their Athlon XP processors or they will get close to bankrupt. I'm little worry that AMD will fall when Pentium 5 gets introduced. AMD better ship out thier 64 bit processors soon. At the end of July or the start of August, people are thinking of buying a computer.

BTW, pick any processor brand and motherboard that you want. Just don't stare at the benchmarks too long.

Does anybody want to buy my P4 system.

I bought Pentium 4 because when I was more related to Windows I used such programs like Maya and Studiotools. They both recommended Pentium processors...not an AMD at all. Therefore I came to a conclusion, that AMD is too different processor from the mainstream. They are not only programs with problems like this...

Many people which I used to know claimed problems with AMD with these programs. So...AMD was not my choise - these problems never excists with Pentium 4. Everything an earth which is purposed for PC is made for Pentium 4. Therefore I use it, and that's it.

I dont like the situation...but there must be a standard. Lack of them leads to hell.

-Tommi

I know it's a copy.

AMD Core :

Support SSE
Support SSE2
Support MMX
Support MMX+
Support 3DNow!
Support 3DNow!+

Intel Core:

Support SSE
Support SSE2
Support MMX
Support MMX+
Dont' Support 3DNow!
Dont' Support 3DNow!+

3DNow!® is a great advantage for gaming and deliver a fast pipeline better than MMX

AMd have more cpu's than intel

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...04_608,00.html

AMD is the real foundator of the great AMD 486DX2 66MHz Microprocessor

Advanced Micro Devices was founded in 1969 to compete in the integrated circuit device.

So AMD compagny is much older than intel.



http://www.markus-debus.de/museum/im...d486dx2-80.jpg

Source taken from : http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/optics/i...amd486dx2.html

here is what i think, amd and intel are both fine as long as you buy the CPU above 2GHz. RAM- 512 or above is really enough, unless you are going to run a server and supply the whole university with pron or something. next, the graphics, just get the radeaon newest release of nvidia fx 128 mb video card. don't blow your money away on the newest releases for everything because the difference between the numerical 100 of ene 300 Mhz will be really small in long run, so dont be stupid and save the money for more useful stuff, like a DVD-RW, so that you never, ever have to think about extra space and invest in RAID if you want the speed. and also you might want to get the separate pieces, since stores are ripp-off alot of times, no matter where in the world, plus the warranty is alot of times a joke, if you fuck with it, kiss warranty good-bye. this is just my take ont it. i have 3 komps @ home and 2 are pretty new, but i don't mind one having less than other, i just find use of whatever i have. also think of wasting less time wityh games, you're in college, games ARE A WASTE OF TIME, just keep this in mind as you run like maad to the store to buy the PC for ur college years.

pease

it's why gamers choose AMD

Many benchmarks and games don't support SSeC2
and the FSB (whatever mhz u got 133,100,500,800 or 1ghz fsb) if u have a slow core with over 60 millions of transistors like Northwood P4.

if u take a Barton core (54 millions transistors,with 512k L2 cache, 0.13 micron, ) and compare to the slowest p4 core NorthWood.(55 millions trans.,0.18 micron)

Ok, i got the formula for converting AMD mhz to p4 mhz
y= AMD MHZ (ex: athlon xp +2000 run at 1700mhz)


QuantiSpeed= yMhz * 1,37 = Intel's mhz


U know what?
Intel is a shit of big marketing, well intel buy RAMBUS then they create a 800mhz FSB and the one motherboard capable to run 800 mhz fsb is an intel and chipsets too.

All that for money $$$

Games remove stress

Example: playing Ut2003 , and kills some pplz gave me a lot of fun

nice advice vabaliukas!
i was thinking on a config around this:
3ghz+ P4/barton/athlon64
1gig of the fastest corsair ram available or 2gig (4x512) of lesser brand ram
a top spec mobo (875p or nforce2 new version)
2xwesterndig specials 200gb (raid0)/2xmaxtor dmplus9 160gb(raid0) - cant be asked with sata just yet!
sony dru500a multiwriter
radeon9800pro256 or nvidiafx5900ultra256
ive got a liteon cdrw and a sbliveplatinum with the brilliant break-out box (which i cant live without!)
19inch iiyama vmpro454a

i think i can just about squeeze that in my price range, else ill have to forgo the latest graphics card for either radeon9800pro128 or radeon9600pro, or worse still, 1gig of generic ram or just the one hdd! - there's room for some manoeuvre.


i think such a spec should last me through to my graduation and be able to play some of the games released in 2007 at lower resolutions!

Well, I run a xp 2400+ well above the 3200+ specs. No I dont have the extra cache, but still, going by sisoft sandra, it rates it above the p4 3.2. But lets be real people, AMD's performance rating is a wee bit aggressive. Sure mhz for mhz, amd is considerably faster, to even compete at 3.2 ghz. But it isnt 50% faster, which is what the claim has to be to beat out a 3.2. More like 20%, if you follow the bench marks, all of them, not just a biased article. The AMD Opteron and Athlon 64 present a tough challenge for intel, as it seamlessly intergates the 32 bit and 64 bit proccessing, where itanium actually emulates 32 bit, and is slow and and buggy when doing so. If I had to do it over, I would still do amd, as I am running a nicely oc'ed amd without hitch, and you add 256x2 kingston hyper x pc 3000, asus a7v8x mobo, radeon 9700 pro, audigy 2 platinum, and 120 gigs, well under 1200$ usd. The value is there, and running at 2.5 ghz(as tbred cores are unlocked), it does perform very nice next to an intel 3.2. Actually hangs in there. Doesnt whoop it, or even beat, but it can hang.