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04-19-2006, 04:18 PM
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radeon 9250 with open source drivers?
hello
i've been searching for help for 3 days now. overall i get the impression that the radeon 9250 is the last of the radeon line supported in open source drivers.
unfortunately, i can't get it to work. has anyone here set up this card with os drivers?
here's some info:
sapphire radeon 9250
128M ddr
64 bit
slackware 10.2
Code:
~$ /sbin/lspci
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01)
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5940 (rev 01)
Code:
~$ /sbin/lsmod | grep radeon
radeon 73600 1
drm 56852 2 radeon
~$ /sbin/lsmod | grep agp
via_agp 7552 1
agpgart 28616 2 drm,via_agp
Code:
# dmesg | grep drm
[drm] Initialized drm 1.0.0 20040925
[drm] Initialized radeon 1.16.0 20050311 on minor 0: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]
[drm] Loading R200 Microcode
[drm] Loading R200 Microcode
[drm] Loading R200 Microcode
Code:
~$ glxinfo
name of display: :0.0
display: :0 screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
server glx extensions:
GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_make_current_read,
GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig
client glx vendor string: SGI
client glx version string: 1.4
client glx extensions:
GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context,
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory,
GLX_MESA_swap_control, GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_OML_swap_method,
GLX_OML_sync_control, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control,
GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig,
GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group
GLX extensions:
GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context,
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory,
GLX_MESA_swap_control, GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_OML_swap_method,
GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig
OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 20040929 AGP 1x x86/MMX+/3DNow!+ TCL
OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 6.2.1
OpenGL extensions:
GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multisample, GL_ARB_multitexture,
GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_compression,
GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add,
GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3,
GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_texture_rectangle,
GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object,
GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra,
GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate,
GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract,
GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_EXT_convolution,
GL_EXT_copy_texture, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_histogram,
GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_polygon_offset, GL_EXT_rescale_normal,
GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color,
GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_subtexture, GL_EXT_texture, GL_EXT_texture3D,
GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_add,
GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3,
GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias,
GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_object,
GL_EXT_texture_rectangle, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_APPLE_packed_pixels,
GL_ATI_blend_equation_separate, GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3,
GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once, GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip,
GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_INGR_blend_func_separate,
GL_MESA_pack_invert, GL_MESA_window_pos, GL_NV_blend_square,
GL_NV_light_max_exponent, GL_NV_texture_rectangle,
GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_SGI_color_matrix, GL_SGI_color_table,
GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_border_clamp,
GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp, GL_SGIS_texture_lod
glu version: 1.3
glu extensions:
GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess
visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav
id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat
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0x23 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x24 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x25 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x26 24 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x27 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x28 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x29 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x2a 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x2b 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x2c 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x2d 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x2e 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x2f 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x30 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x31 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x32 24 dc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
Code:
~$ glxgears
1993 frames in 5.0 seconds = 398.600 FPS
2273 frames in 5.0 seconds = 454.600 FPS
2266 frames in 5.0 seconds = 453.200 FPS
Code:
Section "Device"
Identifier "** ATI Radeon (generic) [radeon]"
Driver "radeon"
#VideoRam 65536
# Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
#none of these make any significant difference
#Option "AGPMode" "4"
#Option "EnablePageFlip" "on"
#Option "EnableDepthMoves" "on"
# the following 1 gives black screen freeze
#Option "AGPFastWrite" "1"
EndSection
by the look of it everything except glxgears looks in order. but the fact is that i can't play even quake 3 because the framerate is horrible.
to check i installed the same card in windows and that doesn't have any lag.
btw, before buying this card i used a radeon 7500 which worked perfectly out of the box.
please help
thanks in advance
update:
it doesn't work with fedora core 5 either but does work when i boot knoppix 4.0.2 booted with the radeon parameter!
knoppix comes with xfree86 4.3.0.1 and glxgears gives me:
Code:
# glxgears
4841 frames in 5.0 seconds = 968.200 FPS
4897 frames in 5.0 seconds = 979.400 FPS
4893 frames in 5.0 seconds = 978.600 FPS
which is not terribly impressive, but quake3 works smoothly
still i am no closer to figuring out how to make it work on slackware 
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04-19-2006, 05:57 PM
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Do you have this in your xorg.conf?
Code:
Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection
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04-19-2006, 06:27 PM
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(I am tired of saying this)
You do not compile the DRM kernel module. This is done by Xorg.
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04-19-2006, 06:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarshall
Do you have this in your xorg.conf?
Code:
Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection
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yep, ad 3d worked with my old radeon
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04-19-2006, 08:29 PM
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Registered: May 2004
Location: Albuquerque, NM USA
Distribution: Debian-Lenny/Sid 32/64 Desktop: Generic AMD64-EVGA 680i Laptop: Generic Intel SIS-AC97
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You'll probably get some improvement by adding this to your Device Section in xorg.conf.
Option "AccelMethod" "exa"
Wiki
Are you using xorg 6.9 or higher?
Edit:
Another thing that will gain a little is changing your default color depth in xorg.conf to 16.
Last edited by rickh; 04-19-2006 at 08:44 PM.
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04-19-2006, 09:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Quantumstate
You do not compile the DRM kernel module. This is done by Xorg.
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Could you give me a reference for this? I have always compiled the kernel model.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickh
You'll probably get some improvement by adding this to your Device Section in xorg.conf.
Option "AccelMethod" "exa"
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I haven't had the best success with EXA. It makes Composite run fast, but it really slows down drawing. Has anyone else experienced this? (9200SE)
Mig21:
I'm not much of an expert in this stuff, but I would check to make sure that glxinfo and glxgears are linking to the same libGL.so. (use ldd)
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04-19-2006, 09:31 PM
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Quote:
You'll probably get some improvement by adding this to your Device Section in xorg.conf.
Option "AccelMethod" "exa"
Wiki
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it had no effect at all
Quote:
Are you using xorg 6.9 or higher?
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6.8.2 that comes with the latest slackware. is this the problem?
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Another thing that will gain a little is changing your default color depth in xorg.conf to 16.
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no effect either
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I'm not much of an expert in this stuff, but I would check to make sure that glxinfo and glxgears are linking to the same libGL.so. (use ldd)
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i'm not sure. the name is the same but what's that address is different
Code:
$ ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/glxinfo
linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000)
libGLU.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1 (0xb7ed6000)
libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (0xb7e69000)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb7e5b000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb7d91000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7d7f000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/libm.so.6 (0xb7d5c000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0xb7c40000)
libstdc++.so.5 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 (0xb7b87000)
libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb7b7e000)
libXxf86vm.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1 (0xb7b79000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/tls/libdl.so.2 (0xb7b75000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f69000)
$ ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/glxgears
linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000)
libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (0xb7e86000)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb7e5d000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb7d93000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7d81000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/libm.so.6 (0xb7d5e000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0xb7c42000)
libXxf86vm.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1 (0xb7c3d000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/tls/libdl.so.2 (0xb7c38000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7ef2000)
thank you for trying to help, i am very much looking forward to getting the thing to work
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04-19-2006, 09:37 PM
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Hmm... glxgears is also missing libGLU. On my system, I get the same output for both binaries.
Perhaps try running ldconfig?
Edit: Oh, and XOrg 6.8.2 isn't a problem.
Last edited by mmarshall; 04-19-2006 at 09:38 PM.
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04-19-2006, 09:49 PM
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Another thing that will gain a little is changing your default color depth in xorg.conf to 16.
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oh sorry that's not true. it does make a difference. thank you.
it brings my glxgears output to ~900 fps and that's what i've got in knoppix also.
but now that i actually try to play a game, it is slow, barely bareable  . for a card of that age shouldn't i be getting 2-5k fps in glxgears?
or is it that the driver isn't so good?
i'll try to change some of those options in the device section but i doubt it will make any difference. what else can i try?
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04-19-2006, 10:16 PM
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I guess running ldconfig (as root) didn't change anything?
glxgears isn't a good benchmark, but I get 1700.
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04-20-2006, 12:17 AM
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glxgears isn't a good benchmark
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so i hear. but quake3 has been used as a benchmark for a decade now (well maybe a bit less) and it's definitely sluggish.
well, i took a chance buying this card and it didn't pay. maybe there will be an updated driver in the next slackware version.
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04-20-2006, 02:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Quantumstate
You do not compile the DRM kernel module. This is done by Xorg.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarshall
Could you give me a reference for this? I have always compiled the kernel model.
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Don't believe me, huh?
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04-20-2006, 03:06 PM
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That looks like it's specific to the way Gentoo packages it. I don't have to touch xorg when upgrading my kernel.
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04-20-2006, 05:04 PM
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Ya, it'll work with the kernel module. But it's supposed to be faster with the Xorg module... although I can't tell since Debian's glxgears no longer prints framerates.
I guess if you're not running Gentoo, compile the kernel DRM module.
Last edited by Quantumstate; 04-20-2006 at 05:27 PM.
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