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Old 11-21-2013, 10:50 PM   #1
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Purchasing new LCD display


Hi all,

I'm prepared upgrading my LED display (Samsung 24" LED), to a bigger viewing size LCD display, which has been used at least 4 years. I have no specific requirement on display quality because I'm not doing graphic editing. The existing display serves a 8-core AMD PC with 32G RAM onboard.

What I expect to have is with hydraulic height adjustment on the stand. The height adjustment on the said Samsung LED display is NOT smooth compaired to the stand of Philips LED display. I have an old Philip 20" LED display with hydraulic stand for height adjustment which is very smooth on adjusting height.

I found following 2 models of Philip LCD display with LED backlight:-

1)
Philips 27" 273P3LPHEB LED Monitor (16:9,20000000:1,1ms,VGA,DVI,HDMI,USB*3,Spk)
http://www.philips.co.uk/c/pc-monito...specifications
LCD monitor, LED backlight

2)
Philips 27" 273P3QPYEB LED Monitor (16:9,20000000:1,6ms,VGA,DVI,DP,USB*3,Spk)
http://www.philips.com.sg/c/pc-monit...3qpyeb_69/prd/
P-line, 27" / 68.6cm, Full HD AMVA display 273P3QPYEB/69

They are interested to me. (I have no preset budget)

I have no idea of "Full HD AMVA display". On further searching I found;
on
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-...1126380/review

Philips Brilliance AMVA LCD review
Great connectivity
Good picture quality
Built-in webcam
90-degree pivot
PowerSensor technology

Actually what is the difference on viewing?

I need HDMI connection but "Philips 27" 273P3QPYEB LED Monitor" without it. It has DP. I suppose DP=DisplayPort. What is it?

Please shed me some light and suggestion on selecting new LCD displayh. TIA

Rgds
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Old 11-22-2013, 05:11 AM   #2
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Why do you need HDMI? HDMI is just DVI with audio and other junk, like HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection). If you arent using speakers on the monitor, a DVI-HDMI converter will work just fine (and really, if you are using monitor speakers, maybe buying a small cheap set of speakers is a good idea, moniotr speakers are pretty awful)

DP is 'Display Port'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Re...th_DisplayPort

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What I expect to have is with hydraulic height adjustment on the stand. The height adjustment on the said Samsung LED display is NOT smooth compaired to the stand of Philips LED display. I have an old Philip 20" LED display with hydraulic stand for height adjustment which is very smooth on adjusting height.
Just because an older model philips has a height adjustment you like more than on a random samsung doesnt mean that a new philips will have the same height adjustment..or that all samsungs wont have a height adjuctment method you like.

AMVA = Advanced Multi-domain vertical alignment

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles...es_content.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin-fi...rystal_display

Its impossible to guess how much you will like any given monitor. Its one of the few major computer hardware purchases I suggest people check out in detail, in person if at all possible, before buying.

If I was going to get a 27'', I'd be lookign for a 2560 x 1440 monitor (IMO 1920 x 1080 is too small for a 27'') and probably a IPS (In-Plane Switching) model.

Dell UltraSharp U2713, U2711, Viewsonic VP2770, Samsung S27A850D. If money is no object, NEC PA271W, but I doubt that anyone not doing graphical work would want one, and its not really worth the extra $500 or so more than the cheaper IPS models I listed before (they are about $700, the NEC is more like $1200+)
 
Old 11-23-2013, 07:08 AM   #3
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Hi cascade9,

Thanks for your detail advice.

Actually I'm looking for a LCD display with bigger viewing area and with resolution >1920x1080 as well. My 24" Samsung LED display already has resolution of 1920x1080 pixels. Therefore I expect the new LCD display has higher resolution. Eventhough the new display is NOT for graphic editing.

I have been shopping around other makers' LCD displays. Most of them don't have height adjustment. I prefer the mechanism of the height adjustment of Philips' model. It is very smooth dislike Samsung's model. The later needs applying heavy force to adjust.

Both models mentioned on my original post are with built-in speakers. There I need HDMI connection for convenience. I suppose "Display Port" will do the same job but I need to get a new graphic card with this feature. I have JBL table-top speakers. Sound is NOT important to me. But I need more free space on table.

What command shall I run to find my LED display/monitor spec including its maker? "hardinfo" only displays monitor resolution 1920x1080 pixels without the name of maker.

Thanks

Edit:
I may consider TRUE LED display NOT with LED backlight if its price is NOT of sky height

Rgds
satimis

Last edited by satimis; 11-23-2013 at 07:20 AM.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 03:34 AM   #4
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FYI- you can get a DVI + audio to HDMI adapter. But they are mostly limited to 1920x1080, and a lot (most?) HDMI ports have the same limit.

If you want a monitor that goes higher than 1920x1080, HDMI is a pain.

I spose if yuo really want maximum desktop sapce, buit in speakers are OK..but they sound so awful, and there is normally enough room between the monitor and wall to stash some speakers (and yes, that does sound better than 95%+ of monitor speakers on LCD/LED panels)

I've said it before, I'll say it again...the height adjustment will vary with manufacturer and model. You can assume that philips will have the height adjustment you want (and looking at the ones you listed, I really doubt that they will have a 'hydraulic height adjustment'). Even if they did, you can probably find amore common brand LCD/LED monitor and a really nice monitor arm for less than the philips. A monitor arm like this one-

http://www.4cabling.com.au/single-de...kqpAodZ38ARQ//

That is just an example, I havent looked around to see if that is a good price or not.

Why would you want to use lshw to get monitor specs? I believe that it can be done with EDID, but I've never used it that way myself.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 06:03 AM   #5
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Hi cascade9


Last Sunday I have done a physical shopping on displays and found;

1)
Samsung S27A850D IPS display (without built-in speakers)

Samsung S27A850D (SA850 27in) review
http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsun...Monitor_review

S27A850D spec
http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/consume...-and-sa850-led


2)
Samsung S27B970D IPS display (with built-in speakers)

Samsung 27" S27B970D Series 9 Super PLS LED Monitor Review @ ModSynergy.com
http://www.modsynergy.com/review257.htm

S27B970D spec
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/m...970DS/ZA-specs


Both are nice display with hydaulic stand for height adjustment which quality has been improved better than the stand of my old 24" Samsung display. I haven't checked the viewing angle yet which is quite important to me because a big size display will stand close to me (close to my eyes)


I haven't looked at Philips Nor LG displays yet. But I couldn't find a LED screen display on market (NOT with LED backlight). What will be the difference in IPS and V8 screens?


Sound quality is NOT important to me. For enjoying classical music I'll turn on my HiFi. I have a pair of JBL speakers for computer with excellant sound quality including BASE. Unfortunately my table is equipped with a built-in case above which produces echo. I have to pull the speakers out to avoid echo. For such a reason I prefer built-in speakers on display instead.


I have tried "lshw" before.

$ sudo lshw | grep display

$ sudo lshw | grep monitor

couldn't find the spec of my display. I haven't used EDID before.

Rgds
satimis
 
Old 11-26-2013, 12:21 PM   #6
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I recently went through this exercise in buying a 27" monitor that could do 2560x1440 resolution. Since the motherboard that I had did not support an output of resolution of 2560x1440, I had to buy a graphic card. The monitor I bought was the Asus PB278Q.

DVI
Be sure to read the part concerning the DVI cable/connector for resolutions above 1920×1200.

HDMI

DisplayPort

Last edited by Steve R.; 11-26-2013 at 12:26 PM.
 
Old 11-28-2013, 09:22 AM   #7
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Quote:
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Both are nice display with hydaulic stand for height adjustment which quality has been improved better than the stand of my old 24" Samsung display. I haven't checked the viewing angle yet which is quite important to me because a big size display will stand close to me (close to my eyes)
They will both have the same screen. Actually, most of teh IPS panels use the same screen, just with different monitor hardware (the bezel, etc.). The main thing that changes between the manufacturers when they are using sceens from the same source is quality control, the monitor hardware design, and the software/firmware.

Those 2 samsungs will most likely the same control software/firmware as each other.

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But I couldn't find a LED screen display on market (NOT with LED backlight).
Well, they are around, IF you have _very_deep_pockets.

Quote:
PVM2541A
25-inch Professional OLED A series Picture Monitor
$6,400.00
http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-mon...duct-PVM2541A/

You might find one for $5K US if you really look around.....

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What will be the difference in IPS and V8 screens?
V8?

Apart from things like OLED, IPS panels are about as good as you can get now.

*edit- the IPS screens generaly have better colour, contrast, and sometimes have better viewing angles. Its hard to say much more than that, IPS has been around since the 90s, and there are several revisions (super IPS, advanced super IPS, IPS alpha)

When you go looking at monitors, I'd be paying very close attention to what sort of panel it is and if its acceptable quality wise...prices will vary, but if you dont see a difference, or can live with what differences you see, an cheaper technology 27'' 2560x1440 is going to be about 2/3rds the price or less compared to a 27'' 2560x1440 IPS panel screen.

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I have tried "lshw" before.

$ sudo lshw | grep display

$ sudo lshw | grep monitor

couldn't find the spec of my display. I haven't used EDID before.
If I'm unsure about the specs of a monitor, I normally just check online. Its handy that they are almost always branded with the model number.

Which is why I'm not going tobe able to help yuo with reading the EDID readout, sorry.

Last edited by cascade9; 11-29-2013 at 05:33 AM.
 
  


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