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Old 08-12-2007, 03:40 PM   #1
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buying new laptop- need simple advice

Hello everyone!
First I want to thank you just at looking at this paragraph.
I planning to buy new laptop, because old one to fix will cost me at least 300$ so I rather go with new.
+ will start college soon.
I want that when I will get my laptop would run Linux out of the box so doing hardware research.
what I want and looking is:
- most need built in laptop web cam (that flips front and back) really want that (putted egg. in the bottom).
- most need good wireless card that I could put in to monitor mode (will run Kismet, crack WLAN ),
because will run Kismet on Linux OS and the wireless card drivers on Linux OS the cards would be: PRISM 2, 2.5, 3, and GT chip sets; older Orinoco cards without the Hermes Ii chip set, such as the Orinoco Gold; and Atheros a/b/g chip sets.
- graphics card will go with Nevada GeForce, ATI drivers for Linux OS is poor that why I will go with NeVada.
- CPU really do not care what kind, but I will do video, photo editing,
writing text document, surfing Internet, web design, basics basically,
1 later should start writing programs(JAVA, CC+), will try hacking something to try,
(this would more RAMS than CPU), but because I want a web camera built in.
That kind laptops start at about 700$ +- and for that price I can get AMD Turion 64 x2 (1.6ghz and up), and Intel Duo 2 Core , I rather go with AMD than Intel because AMD always beats Intel on performance.
- hard rive do not care (bigger the better, will not hurt)
- rams (do not care, will upgrade if I will need it)
- screen 15 is enough 17 it big for laptop, different do not care.
- keyboard do not care prefer laptop keyboard than desktop keyboard,
so how you see I investing to my laptop.
- One of the reason why I go with AMD, because AMD supports SUSE + plus they have a lot drivers for AMD.

Here are couple laptops that I thinking to buy:
Acer Aspire 9300-5349
acer apsire 9300-5415
Acer aspire 9300-5005

Aspire® 9810 series
AS9810-6829 - Genuine Windows Vista™ Ultimate ; Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor T7200 (4MB L2 cache, 2.0GHz, 667MHz FSB); 2GB (1/1) DDR2 667 SDRAM; 320GB (160/160) SATA hard drive; integrated HD DVD-ROM drive; 5-in-1 card reader; 20.1”WSXGA+ (1680 x 1050) TFT display, Acer® CrystalBrite Technology; NVIDIA® GeForce® Go 7600 graphics, 256MB VRAM; 802.11a/b/g WLAN, Bluetooth®, Bluetooth® VoIP phone, gigabit LAN, V.92 modem; Acer® OrbiCam camera
. LX.AF60U.015
Aspire® 9300
. .
AS9300-5005 - Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium ; AMD Turion™ 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-50 (2x256KB L2 cache, 1.6GHz); 1GB (512/512) DDR2 SDRAM; 120GB hard drive; integrated Super-Multi drive (DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD-RAM); 5-in-1 card reader ; 17.0”WXGA+ (1440 x 900) TFT display, Acer® CrystalBrite Technology; NVIDIA® GeForce® Go 7300 graphics; 802.11b/g WLAN, gigabit LAN, V.92 modem; Acer® OrbiCam camera
. LX.AWR0X.053
AS9300-5415 - Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium ; AMD Turion™ 64 X2 Dual-Core Mobile Technology TK-53 (2x256KB L2 cache, 1.7GHz); 1GB (512/512) DDR2 SDRAM; 160GB hard drive; integrated Super-Multi drive (DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD-RAM); 5-in-1 card reader ; 17.0”WXGA+ (1440 x 900) TFT display, Acer® CrystalBrite Technology; NVIDIA® GeForce® Go 7300 graphics; 802.11b/g WLAN, gigabit LAN, V.92 modem; Acer® OrbiCam camera LX.AWQ0X.362

What other kind laptops you would recommend?
What I missing let say in my research?
Thanks for any help and recommendations!
Old 08-12-2007, 09:00 PM   #2
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It is hard to find a laptop that would run Linux out of the box since most of them have a lot of onboard stuff that has drivers for Windows. But I would recommend taking a look at Lenovo stuff. The laptops are very good (and expensive).

DELL has a laptop that ships with SUSE Linux. It is a very basic model though.

Regarding webcam: I am still trying to get mine to work here. It is hard to setup and it is unlikely to work the very first time you try it.

Good luck.
Old 08-13-2007, 06:19 PM   #3
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I suggest go with a different brand than Acer. Sager Notebooks, Toshiba, and MSI notebooks are good. ASUS may also be ok but stay away from models with Marvell Yukon NIC.

Do you really need a web cam that rotates from front to back.

There were a sale on notebooks which ended the last week of July.

Probably the built-in web cams in notebooks are USB, so may have to install some modules and firmware to use them.

My Dell Inspiron 1520 notebook will eventually be here next week. Yes, it comes with Vista Home Premium, but I will put Linux on it ASAP. It cost around 1400 US dollars after tax, shipping and handling. It comes with web cam built-in but I do not want it although it came with it from an employee discount.
Old 08-16-2007, 12:23 PM   #4
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Thanks for advice Electro and Leosgb.
Looked at Sager, MSI notebooks to expensive, Toshiba also (their own official website online), usually Toshiba are cheapest laptops at stores.
About web cam I really do not needed, but would like to have it.
After Electro post, Dell Inspiron 1520 notebook not bad looked at dell's laptops.
Started customizing laptops best deal that I got:
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7100 (1.8GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
Anti-glare, widescreen 14.1 inch display (1280x800)
128MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8400M GS
1GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 667MHz
Size: 160GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
CD / DVD writer (DVD+/-RW Drive)
Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card
Built-in Bluetooth capability (2.0 EDR)
Integrated 2.0 Mega pixel Web cam
56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
High Definition Audio 2.0
Integrated 10/100 Network Card and Modem
Intel Centrino Core Duo Processor
Inspiron 1420
Price $1,184 or $36/month
Started looking more laptops at laptops review, read articles, saw comprising graphics, video, gave a lot information.
Also Google research, did little more research.
Went to HP (not bad deals),others websites, and always came back to lenovo website from mine beginning to the end researching the end started comparing laptops one by one and ended with Lenovo, . After compressing the parts lenovo came out not expensive at all and the cheapest. (Must be surprise). Other websites gave me 50$-400$ more expensive.
So in the end came out with this laptop:
Edit 6459CTO $1,279.00
System Processor: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7300 (2.0GHz 800MHz 4MBL2) Display Panel: 15.4 WXGA TFT with camera (35$ cost camera)
System graphics: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M (128MB)
Total memory: 1 GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM) Hard Drive: 80GB Hard Disk Drive, 5400rpm
Intel® Turbo Memory hard drive cache: Intel Turbo Memory 1GB (50$) Optical device: DVD Recordable 8x Max Dual Layer, Ultra bay Slim System expansion slots: PC Card Slot & Express Card Slot Card Reader: 4 in 1 Media Card Reader
Wireless cards: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG or (ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wi-Fi wireless LAN Mini-PCIe US/EMEA/LA/ANZ -45$) will search on Google which one is better for raw monitor mode
Bluetooth: Integrated Bluetooth PAN
Battery: 9 cell Li-Ion Battery
So far what you think?
Which wireless card is best for kismet (to put to monitor mode)
Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wi-Fi wireless LAN Mini-PCIe US/EMEA/LA/ANZ
guessing thinkPAD (atheros wireless card), I'm right?

Last edited by DexterPC; 08-16-2007 at 12:44 PM.
Old 09-22-2007, 03:40 PM   #5
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IBM ThinkPad should be a good choice.



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