Supposedly it's only the technical preview that is collecting anything and everything it can about you, down to every keypress, mouse click and anything spoken around the device. M$ isn't saying whether or not that will continue to happen in the final versions.

Indeed, but since Windows 10 has yet to be released surely anybody currently running it is running the technical preview? Hence my question whether the spyware clause has been removed.
Oddly, I googled "Windows 10 spyware" and came across an article showing some of the EULA hinting that the keystroke logger was only to be used for improving spell-check and the like but I could have sworn the EULA I read for the tech preview went on to say that any data collected could and would be used in any way MS saw fit. I know I'm prone to a little mistrust and prejudice where MS is concerned but I don't think I would have balked at the EULA quite as I did had it only specified that keystrokes were to be used for the spelling engine only.
Sorry for the thread diversion.

Even worse is that the EULA says the only way to opt out of the data collection is to uninstall the product.

Same timeframe for me.
Pitfalls are:
a. Outlook integration with address book - talking enterprise
b. MS office - libre works great, but fonts are different, so to polish the document i still have to open it in windows version of the ms office
c. Presentations - powerpoint has no alternative.
d. games.

The way i work is :
a. main os is linux
b. virtual box - windows.

covers 100% of my needs.
keep in mind that if you still play games - VB won't cut it for you. So just keep windows on the separate partition and live stress free.

OS X 10.9.5 my Z600 is a part-time hackintosh

Ah, got it. Sorry about that, looked a bit like one of the Windows 10 version numbers.

I have 100 Linux games from Steam, and they have over 1,000 games for Linux. Plus WINE will run older titles just fine. So no I don't need Windows.

So what's the problem?

They could have just allowed people to opt-out like this:
https://packages.debian.org/search?k...larity-contest
I have a problem trying to work out whether Windows 10 is worth updating to* if I can't use anything which requires access to any password including for this site. Yes, of course, data is recorded and crashes logged and the rest but as I mentiond in my earlier post it was the mention of using data for any reason which meant I can't even test Windows 10.
If (when, I'm sure) they stop the sending of my Steam and other passwords to other companies for any reason they see fit I will, likely, upgrade to Windows 10 because it's not as rubbish as Windows 8.1.

I really should. Especially if it's Vista.

They could have, but they did not. Not much different to Android, Steam, iWhatever, etc really. They all collect data behind your back.

I doubt that any of those capture all your keystrokes and share them with whomever they want for whatever reason they want because, if they were found doing it, even their government ties wouldn't be able to stand up against the class action suits.
This isn't "anonymised browsing habits" this is the password to any accoubt you use online and all other details that go with it.
The reason it matters to myself and others is that we have to use Windows for whatever reason and this will be the next version. As things stand it is impossible to evaluate since things like that Steam password will be sent to Microsoft partners clearly labelled as such.

That isn't to say thet what Google or anyone else do is not a bad thing just that this is an entirely different thing.

I think you're perhaps missing the point that this is a "technical preview"? The opt out option is to 'opt out' of the technical preview - and not install/use it. It seems clear to me.

The full release, will very likely not, of course, include a key logger... I doubt they'd be that willing to commit commercial suicide. The aims of the technical preview are laid out clearly as well as who should run it and why.

I would suggest just getting rid, reverting to whatever you used before and just wait for the actual release - and revisit this then.

I think you missed my two point:
I hoped that this would just be in the Tech Preview -- I agree that's likely but we don't know the facts for certain.
I stated that as a preview it is difficult to use for any testing while this is in place.

I have installed it in a VM (to play) and installed and rolled back on a laptop to check current hardware compatibility. But, in both cases, I found it difficult to use for anything "real" to give it much testing as that would mean entering passwords. Of course, businesses and the like have test environments where they can use dummy data and the like but, still, for internal testing I've know a few places where it's just slightly munged normal data, which this would not be usable with.

Luckily the downgrade from 10 back to 8.1 on my laptop went very smoothly and was easily achieved so hopwfully I won't have to re-install from recovery media and then reinstall Debian if 10 doesn't work for me but, then again, we don't know yet whether "rollback" will be available for 10 when it's actually released.

So, similarly to how I started this post:
It isn't clear how well Windows 10 will actually work in daily use.
It isn't clear whether Windows 10 can be "downgraded" from.
In other words the tech preview didn't do the job particularly well.

How has a discussion about "Who here is running Linux only?" turned into a debate about Windows?

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