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Are you saying that more criticism = good product?
Can be, if it is valid criticism and taken up by the developers. Anyone who tries a distro should inform himself about the distro and its aims before trying it. Sadly, not many people do that and so the "we won't hold your hand"-distros like Slackware, Arch and Gentoo get a lot of (invalid) criticism because they are not like Ubuntu, Mint or Mageia. On the other hand, with the Slackware developers participating on this forum valid criticism is discussed (sometimes heated) and possibly causes changes in the distro.
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I was referring to the installer not the running system.
That I find rather interesting, which part of it is slow? I have not made a "normal" installation from DVD for a long time (I assume you have installed from the ISO in your VM), since I have a local mirror and prefer network based installations. Those are usually done in about 10-15 minutes, setting up the complete system how I like it needs about 2 hours. When using Debian I had about the same time-frame to set the system up to my likings.
I cant see why anyone 'specialised in security' would login as root.
Further to my last - consider below and the relative consequences
neill@xubuntu-13-10:~/Desktop$ whoami
neill
neill@xubuntu-13-10:~/Desktop$ who am i
neill pts/1 2013-11-01 12:05 (:0.0)
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neill@xubuntu-13-10:~/Desktop$ su -
Password:
root@xubuntu-13-10:~# whoami
root
root@xubuntu-13-10:~# who am i
neill pts/1 2013-11-01 12:05 (:0.0)
root@xubuntu-13-10:~#
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neill@xubuntu-13-10:~/Desktop$ sudo bash
[sudo] password for neill:
root@xubuntu-13-10:~/Desktop# whoami
root
root@xubuntu-13-10:~/Desktop# who am i
neill pts/0 2013-11-01 12:09 (:0.0)
So the OS knows if you are really root or just pretending.
Do you now understand why logging on as root can be vital.
Using a *buntu as an example is a joke, all the buntus disable the root account by default.
Loging in to a desktop as root is not vital at all.
Since you're already said 'I have no intention of giving reasons or making any other justification other than 'I find it useful'' when asked what the reason for loging in as root was, I consider all the posts you've made on this subject to be nothing more than an user with limited knowledge and/or extreme laziness trying to convice other forums users that its fine.
Thread when I pulled the 'no intention of giving reasons' quote-
As other posters have extolled the virtues of Slackware I though I would give it a try.
First thoughts are it it's installation is archaic and quite unhelpful. Also seems very slow compared to other mainstream distros.
Seems it does not like Vmware. could not find the graphics screen.
Presented with a text login, got a GUI with startx but not vmware friendly (cursor trapped in window)
So far not impressed. More to come...
I can only agree ncmoody, slackware which is for many THE ULTIMATE LINUX is in fact very disappointing. Me to, I had to use startx to have a Gui but I got it working finally to a decent level. It is amazingly slow to install (about double the time for a mainstream linux) and when you finally get it right I only could ask myself one question: What does it do others don't? Answer: Nothing.
I also tried a gentoo (Sabayon). Very heavy installation, about double the regular Linux one but it works. And btw I tinkered a bit with Opensolaris,got it working on my machine,had to install it in a primary partition because it wouldn't have any other and had to be damn careful not to wipe out any other partition because partition denomination in solaris is quiet different from linux.
And btw I tinkered a bit with Opensolaris,got it working on my machine,had to install it in a primary partition because it wouldn't have any other and had to be damn careful not to wipe out any other partition because partition denomination in solaris is quiet different from linux.
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I had a quick look - not impressed.
The last Solaris from Sun is the 'best' in my opinion.
And for those following the 'other' thread.
By best, I mean of the various Solaris's available I think V10 suits my needs the closest and is the easiest for me to use.
This is a purely personal opinion and does not mean that other people will also consider it best.
Nor do I assert that is is 'de facto' the best. I reiterate - just my opinion
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At the risk of being slapped down AGAIN for daring to ask someone to explain their reasoning.
I would be fascinated to know why you think that more criticism is a good thing?
Are you saying that more criticism = good product?
I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek. But, yes, criticism in a free (in both senses if you want) product means it's being used and tested and that is a good thing. The tongue-in-cheek comes from, amongst other things, knowing at least one well-known Linux blogger seems to have her heart set on proclaiming the death of Slackware.
There's also the, perhaps dubious, "any news is good news". Ask the man on the Clapham omnibus if he has heard what "Debian" is and he will likely say "no" but ask about "Ubuntu" and he may have heard of it. I'd defy anybody to say that Ubuntu is more important than Debian though (again, a little joking).
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Here I sit watching yet another thread go way off topic. Wasn't it what was your first Linux distro? not how to workaround something in in <insert name here>? Been watching, and chuckling, knowing that I can't be blamed for it.
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At the risk of being slapped down AGAIN for daring to ask someone to explain their reasoning.
Oh me, oh my, wasn't it you who said
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I din not ask for a reason - only clarification of a broad statement as 'better' means different things to different people.
I would never ask for justification, as I object to people asking it of me, just clarification.
People don't have to justify (i.e. give a reason) anything to you, why? because you wont do it because you object being asked to.
Back in the summer of 1995, I was getting my first ISDN line installed and set up a Slackware Linux box to use as a NAT gateway for the other machines on my home LAN. I forget the details, but there was some piece of hardware in my system that wasn't well supported so it took FOREVER to get things working, but I persevered. Ah, the good old days! Hard to believe it's been almost 20 years...
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