[SOLVED] Teach(.)"Moved non-related post to a new thread"<Moderator Response below>.

Jamison2000e, I am known for going off topic when the topic is evolving and I freely admit it but posting cryptic sentences and using them to link to things that are nothing to do with the topic is spamming a topic. I won't put you on my ignore list (simply because you may one day post something useful and I'd not like to miss that special day) but I doubt I'll respond to you much more.

Firerat, we are going to keep disagreeing so I'll stop here. I have a programming assessment due tomorrow plus an interview to write and conduct for Project Management.

Well, I learned in school that to get good grades you have to regurgitate memorized "facts" that the teacher thinks are important. Even Albert Einstein had to redefine gravity to be a property of warped space rather than saying "Newton was wrong and there's no such force." Sad but true... just wait until someone tells them that time and solid matter are illusions.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e thanks to Free software

At first I thought it was Off Topic, but now I've had a chance to watch it I see how it is relevant. Education and teaching is touched upon several times.
However, it was geared towards higher education.

Originally Posted by Firerat ....

I love how Bill kinda freaks out whenever others bring up Free Software

Originally Posted by k3lt01 ... cryptic sentences and using them to link to things that are nothing to do with the topic ...

Opinions meaning anything are often...

Sorry for leaving that open but it's up to you? Lately I have been on an anything means everything\nothing kick and I do apologize for my frustrations with history.?.?.(I gnunow)?

Originally Posted by k3lt01 ... but I doubt I'll respond to you much more....

But, you\we do,,, opinions\* are argumentative. And thanks to them(\opinions)\free-will we have Free-Software+++

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Sorry for leaving that open but it's up to you?

What's up to me? I'm not your mother or father you can finish your own sentences without my help.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Lately I have been on an anything means everything\nothing kick and I do apologize for my frustrations with history.?.?.?

Is this an admition that you are being deliberately confusing/spamming/trolling?

Originally Posted by jamison20000e But, you\we do, opinions\* are argumentative. And thanks to them(\opinions)\free-will we have Free-Software+++

See that sentence just doesn't make any sense as it is written.

I'm not going to read between your lines so if you want to continue this you're gonna have to be clear and to the point. This crypticity in your posts, and your signature, and your cross posting, plus links everywhere and everywhere, says to me you are not serious. Unfortunately I don't have the time nor the energy to discuss serious things with people who feign seriousness yet are not.

Originally Posted by k3lt01 See that sentence just doesn't make any sense as it is written.

Its not that bad

Originally Posted by jamison20000e you\we do, opinions\* are argumentative. And thanks to them(\opinions)\free-will we have Free-Software+++

the gist of it...

We all have opinions, differing opinion which can lead to argumentative behaviour. But this is not necessarily a bad thing, after all "Free Software" is a result of RMS's differing opinion.



All the links ( ok the ones I have read or skimmed ) usually on-topic and are offered without bias, you read/watch , you decide.

No point in paraphrasing something when you can just link to it


Anyway, lets not get all excited and flame away
No-one is here to fight, and arguments can be good

Originally Posted by k3lt01 I'm not going to read between your lines so if you want to continue this you're gonna have to be clear and to the point. This crypticity in your posts, and your signature, and your cross posting, plus links everywhere and everywhere, says to me you are not serious. Unfortunately I don't have the time nor the energy to discuss serious things with people who feign seriousness yet are not.

Originally Posted by k3lt01 I often play Devil's advocate, if this, or a discussion on your beliefs causes you distress it may be safer for you to not throw stones

Devil's advocate
throw stones
or in ref to The Adulterous Woman, John 8?
Which makes little sense

"He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

It is safer to be a sinner?

I'm going with

I often take the side that I do not believe in just to perpetuate the debate/argument so we can properly test its strengths/weaknesses. If you don't like it, well you shouldn't do it to me first"

nope, that make no sense either

I give up.

Originally Posted by Firerat Its not that bad the gist of it... We all have opinions, differing opinion which can lead to argumentative behaviour. But this is not necessarily a bad thing, after all "Free Software" is a result of RMS's differing opinion.

This thread isn't about RMS.

He is cross posting between two threads, if a mod thought his post was on topic it would have been left in the other thread.

Originally Posted by Firerat All the links ( ok the ones I have read or skimmed ) usually on-topic and are offered without bias, you read/watch , you decide.

A few of them link to other topics and the topics are not the same.

Originally Posted by Firerat No point in paraphrasing something when you can just link to it

At least give an introduction.

Originally Posted by Firerat Anyway, lets not get all excited and flame away No-one is here to fight, and arguments can be good

Not flaming but most certainly not chasing my tail between threads just because someone is linking posts between two or more topics to make points that simply are not on topic. Also not going to discuss something with someone who says "Nope, the statement is true, and will be until I change my mind." I'm not here to change anyone's mind so the stonewall placed in the middle of the conversation only served to stop my participation in it.

Originally Posted by Firerat Devil's advocate throw stones or in ref to The Adulterous Woman, John 8? Which makes little sense It is safer to be a sinner? I'm going with nope, that make no sense either I give up.

My reference to Devil's advocate in my signature, which has caused many in LQ to get quite upset, is merely to encourage people to think outside their comfort zone. People who say their version of reality is the only version and that they wont change their mind, or something similar to what you said and which I quoted above, aren't willing to think outside their comfort zone so being devils advocate does nothing in that instance. It is not intended to perpetuate any debate or argument but rather to get people to ponder, in silence if need be, their view before they reply. It is hoped people participating in a discussion would have an open mind and not just say "it is true until I change my mind".

Anyway I'm done.

Originally Posted by k3lt01 My reference to Devil's advocate in my signature, which has caused many in LQ to get quite upset, is merely to encourage people to think outside their comfort zone. People who say their version of reality is the only version and that they wont change their mind, or something similar to what you said and which I quoted above,

You said I should not make statements that were false, but the statement was true as I said it was my belief
That belief may be wrong, but the statement was true, and would remain true until such a time as I changed my mind.

Originally Posted by k3lt01 aren't willing to think outside their comfort zone so being devils advocate does nothing in that instance. It is not intended to perpetuate any debate or argument

then you really don't understand what "devils advocate" is about.
I see a pattern emerge

Originally Posted by k3lt01 but rather to get people to ponder, in silence if need be, their view before they reply. It is hoped people participating in a discussion would have an open mind and not just say "it is true until I change my mind".

or, you have such a problem with other people because you advertise that you are up for serious debate. But because you have a complete lack of understanding of the concept of "devil's advocate" you just end up spitting your dummy out.

Originally Posted by k3lt01 Anyway I'm done.

Is this another pattern I see?

Seriously, there is no point, as soon as anyone challenges your opinion or understanding you just go on a little rant.

Your rants are not counter arguments, they are just pathetic.

I am done

Originally Posted by Firerat You said I should not make statements that were false, but the statement was true as I said it was my belief That belief may be wrong, but the statement was true, and would remain true until such a time as I changed my mind.

Actually I said nothing like it.

Originally Posted by Firerat then you really don't understand what "devils advocate" is about.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...27s%20advocate One who argues against a cause or position, not as a committed opponent but simply for the sake of argument or to determine the validity of the cause or position.

I'm the bit in bold, I'm not here to argue for the sake of argument I'm here to get people to consider the validity of their position. You said up front what you said is true and will remain so until you change your mind. You will not test the validity of your position so I see no reason to continue a discussion about education with you based on your belief that you're statement is true and by all appearances nothing will make you change your mind. If the fact I will not engage you further on the issue of education upsets you so much then please accept my sincere apology.

Originally Posted by Firerat I see a pattern emerge

Do you? care to share?

Originally Posted by Firerat or, you have such a problem with other people because you advertise that you are up for serious debate. But because you have a complete lack of understanding of the concept of "devil's advocate" you just end up spitting your dummy out.

By definition, given above, a devils advocate does not have to engage in an argument for the sake of it. I understand you expect me argue with you over education, I have said I will not so you are now upset.

Originally Posted by Firerat Is this another pattern I see?

You are very repetitive.

Originally Posted by Firerat Seriously, there is no point, as soon as anyone challenges your opinion or understanding you just go on a little rant. Your rants are not counter arguments, they are just pathetic. I am done

You're ranting, I gave up discussing education with you based on my feeling it would not serve any useful purpose. No dummy spit because I quite plainly explained back in post 16 where I said

Originally Posted by k3lt01 Firerat, we are going to keep disagreeing so I'll stop here.

You have turned this into an argument, meanwhile accusing me of saying something I didn't. If my simple statement in post 16 upset you that much let me, again, offer my deepest apology. If not wanting to engage someone who will not consider other points of view is pathetic then so be it I'm guilty as charged.

In order again (I forgot the last thread we did this but:) you missed my point, no(although life, death and in between are a bit confusing), you missed my point; I'd view telling you to get some Viagra as "spamming" and trolling etc....

Originally Posted by jamison20000e Originally Posted by k3lt01 ... but I doubt I'll respond to you much more.... But, you\we do,,, opinions\* are argumentative. And thanks to them(\opinions)\free-will we have Free-Software+++

...don't want to spell every little thing out for you either that was a statement at a quote of which we are a-r-g-u-m-e-n-t-a-t-i-v-e and o-p-i-n-i-o-n-a-t-e-d and luckily using Free Software(I know you think this is off topic): read between you already know, the box doesn't always show up right (I know) but that's think outside of it; the rest is enough said.

Originally Posted by Firerat ...No point in paraphrasing something when you can just link to it...

Thanks.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e In order again (I forgot the last thread we did this but:) you missed my point, no(although life, death and in between are a bit confusing), you missed my point;

No point missed, just wondering why you are posting about FSF, RMS, FOSS in a thread about education. Rather simple isn't it? The thread the first part of this thread come from was about FSF and RMS, this thread isn't. You and I have been in enough threads where we have been told to stay on topic, this thread was created to keep the other one on topic and I am trying to stay on topic in this thread.

Originally Posted by jamison20000e I'd view telling you to get some Viagra as "spamming" and trolling etc.......don't want to spell every little thing out for you either that was a statement at a quote of which we are a-r-g-u-m-e-n-t-a-t-i-v-e and o-p-i-n-i-o-n-a-t-e-d and luckily using Free Software(I know you think this is off topic): read between you already know, the box doesn't always show up right (I know) but that's think outside of it; the rest is enough said.Thanks.

Again, this is not on topic, this has nothing to do with education instead you keep going back to the other thread. The first post here was off topic in the other thread, a moderator moved it and the posts after it. If you have a problem with that debate the validity of your posts with regards to the topic with the moderator who moved it.

Originally Posted by k3lt01 No point ..

k3lt01 how ever you are
read back through the thread
realise that the pattern is your lack of understanding
also please realise that you have on several occasions specified that you would not reply
Yet you did, and continue to

with great embarrassment to myself I will respond ( regardless of "I am done" )

YOU are an idiot.
Shut up

if you don't believe me then read back your posts.
Pay special attention to posts relating to me playing "devil's advocate" in reference to your friend the illiterate mechanic.
YOU failed, well that’s about it..
even I believe me after that.
( this was before I discovered you don't know what "devil's advocate" is about )

I myself have failed because I have decided to point out your failings
You continually fail to understand ( a pattern )
You continually state you will not respond, but you do..
is this something else you fail to understand?
I get you are not the sharpest tool in the box, but you start being combative, expect a pop to your nose ( derivative of your sig , do you like ? )


Read back what you claim to be repetitive, it wasn't, FACT
one was ref to you not having understanding [ proven by yourself ]
the other was
"no more stupid insights from me", yet you still come back with your drivel
( yeah, I did also, but muppets need to be educated )


I'm not doing this for me
I'm doing it for you
You need to understand how stupid you can be, saying you will not respond, then responding is idiotic ( even I feel stupid for doing it )

And my defence here is, ffs someone needs to point out how stupid k3lt01 is coming across.
OK, not much of a defence
my defence appears to be
I'm guilty of highlighting their idiocy

but hey, said idiot says he plays "devil's advocate" yet he doesn’t understand it and quite frankly was obliterated by one.]

They just share unqualified opinions

Nothing wrong with that, just don't cry when wrong

my point is made
k3lt01, turn your head and *

Originally Posted by Firerat k3lt01 how ever you are read back through the thread realise that the pattern is your lack of understanding also please realise that you have on several occasions specified that you would not reply Yet you did, and continue to with great embarrassment to myself I will respond ( regardless of "I am done" ) YOU are an idiot. Shut up

<huge snip>
You are upset aren't you! I'll take abuse from people who have a right to be abusive (i.e. no one on this planet). You make things up, saying I told you not to say something (that was either a complete delusion or an out right lie, you decide what it was for yourself).

Lack of understanding? lets see, did you read the definition of devils advocate? no I didn't think so because you believe a devils advocate must argue just for the sake of it when that is not reality.

The rest of your rant (and you accuse me of ranting and being pathetic) isn't worth the time you spent typing it.

Have a fun day.

Originally Posted by k3lt01 <huge snip> Have a fun day.

clever..
use that to incite someone
Sorry, nothing more to say to you.

Originally Posted by Firerat clever.. use that to incite someone Sorry, nothing more to say to you.

Firerat you Muppet

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...3/#post4996224
you forgot to point people to you playing "devil's advocate", to which you received no response and felt conflicted over.

k3lt01

You understand far less than you think you understand.

REMOVE YOUR LIE FROM SIG
or be the fool for ever