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Old 03-20-2014, 09:42 PM   #16
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The people I help install linux has no budget for Mac or Apple or Windows and the hardware capable of running them. They are sometimes cornered by physical desperation.

Games,Cad, Itunes, etc is not big on their agendas.

Streaming radio from shoutcast, email, java for online banking, free,
email, browseing, skype ,wireless working are what is big on their list as well as speed
and did I say free. Oh yeah, I did.

I guess it depends on each and every person and as we all know.
Not everyone is happy with free things.

Ingrates abound in this world. Hopefullly, GNU/Linux and BSD will never be mainstream and a mystery as it is now to corporate media and govts
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You will be sorry when Slackware becomes mainstream like Harley Davidson because of coolness factor in peoples minds that I see
even now sometimes on this forum. Rubes will irrate you to no end in the end.


Just today I deal with a ingrate who is whining that debian developers
are too slow updating deb packages for netsurf but he is unwilling to compile his own 3.0 from source and insults me in the process.

Yeah, I hope Slackware becomes main stream.
 
Old 03-21-2014, 06:10 AM   #17
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In the days of old you didn't have a choice but to replace the Windows OS. You couldn't crack the case without voiding the warranty. And the version of windows that came with the machine did not allow you to resize the partitions to allow room for linux on a dual boot. <snip> Only recently with Vista+ versions of windows can you resize the partitions in windows to make room for linux. Thus resolving the need to remove windows to have a linux install. <snip>
I won't argue the warranty issue since I generally don't care a hoot about them and recognize that ceasing to give free service to a heavily modified system is only safe and fair. If you're savvy enough to modify it, you should be savvy enough to fix any mess you create and not expect others to pay for it.

However I take great issue with your assertion that windows did not allow partition resizing. Don't get me wrong, I am not a Windows supporter by any stretch of the imagination, and I generally despise the way MS does "business". Also I am aware from experience that early Windows would detect OS/2 or even any HPFS partition and issue dire warnings that the "install might fail" and then "offer" to delete the "problem". So, you see, I have zero love there.

That said, whether booting from an MS-DOS diskette (fdisk) or from PQMagic (Partition Magic) Windows had no power to prevent resizing or new creation. In fact, I had OS/2 installed BEFORE I installed Win 3.11 on the same box and though I had to snicker and ignore the warnings and NOT accept it's "kind offer", it still worked. So, regardless of order of installation, I am not aware of the "fact" or even HOW Windows could prevent resizing of partitions. Can you explain, please?
 
Old 03-21-2014, 10:28 PM   #18
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... So, regardless of order of installation, I am not aware of the "fact" or even HOW Windows could prevent resizing of partitions. Can you explain, please?
Prevented in the fact that it did not come with the tools to do so. Sure you could, with third party tools installed after the fact, not provided by windows. Basically if you didn't have internet and didn't have non-m$ install mediums, you were SOL.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 03:54 AM   #19
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Prevented in the fact that it did not come with the tools to do so. Sure you could, with third party tools installed after the fact, not provided by windows. Basically if you didn't have internet and didn't have non-m$ install mediums, you were SOL.
Ah. OK I see what you mean and it's true that fdisk wouldn't resize an OEM install. Before PQMagic, I just used fdisk prior to installation to create the sizes I wanted, or simply added another hdd, but then I have always built my own systems.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 06:32 AM   #20
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Which is a reason why you should switch to linux. It comes with development tools. And an office suite. BITD, those extras would literally cost you thousands in windows. And that was 10+ years ago. Back when stamps were in proximity of $0.25.
 
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Old 03-22-2014, 07:42 PM   #21
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Which is a reason why you should switch to linux. It comes with development tools. And an office suite. BITD, those extras would literally cost you thousands in windows. And that was 10+ years ago. Back when stamps were in proximity of $0.25.
Not only that, but if you had the wrong version of the office suite, none of your teachers could open your term paper. Luckily I installed openoffice 1.0 and it could handle all the different formats, so I just converted them and that was the last time I use any M$ office.
 
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Old 03-23-2014, 12:08 PM   #22
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I don't know what you mean by that, because the only things prison-like about it are:
1) It doesn't run in Linux (a lot of software doesn't run in Linux, but I don't see anybody clamoring that Photoshop is a prison)
2) You need it to interface with Apple's portable devices

That's it. The file formats aren't proprietary, nothing is locked down, there's no DRM, etc. I have an iPhone and use iTunes (in fact it's literally the only thing I use my Windows machine for), but the iTunes library has been moved to a network mount of the RAID on my Linux server. If I download some music in the iTunes app on my phone, iTunes on my Windows machine at home simultaneously downloads it in the background straight to the music archive on my Linux server in DRM-free m4a, which I can then stream to any music player on any OS in my home, and it gets backed up nightly to external storage. That's about as un-prison-like as you can get...
People buy music but then apple still dictate how they use it. Alas, many people are tied up with it (they have a huge number of music purchases). I see all apple software + hardware as locked in traps.
 
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Old 03-23-2014, 12:10 PM   #23
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Perhaps I used the wrong choice of words. I'm not trying to force anyone to switch to Linux, rather educating them that there's more out there than just the heavily marketed apple and ms operating systems. Many people just use computers to check emails, browser, listen to music and watch videos – all that Linux handles fine but people tend to associate the terminal being a major part of Linux use. MS in particular has saturation due to its bully boy tactics and this is hard to undo.

The list so far (some copied and pasted from posts in this thread):
  • A particular CAD software may not be available.
  • Close-mindedness and laziness of people.
  • No Itunes.
  • Media editing may not be as good as expected.
  • Not all windows games will work.
  • People are afraid of something new or unknown.
  • People lack tech knowledge, are insecure about their abilities which leads to further anxiety and resistance.

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Old 03-23-2014, 01:33 PM   #24
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People buy music but then apple still dictate how they use it. Alas, many people are tied up with it (they have a huge number of music purchases).
If you had read what I wrote, you would see that that is 100% false. Apple does not dictate anything about how you use the music you purchase through iTunes. It is DRM-free and able to be transferred to and played on anything that supports m4a (which is just about anything).

Your information is about 5 years out of date. Maybe do some more reading about topics you don't understand before bad mouthing them?

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Old 03-23-2014, 01:39 PM   #25
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I have had it with the people that think linux is not superior when it comes to media editing. tell that to Disney Hollywood etc etc etc.
Please take a close look at what year Linux pretty much took over all of the big studios.
http://www.creativeplanetnetwork.com...ollywood/44656
 
Old 03-23-2014, 01:56 PM   #26
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@suicidaleggroll or other 's Do iPuds(and like) still only allow you to up\down those "m4a" on to two or so devices only (preferably mapple$ I am sure) and without iTuns? And, I guess you can't use .ogg at lest on the small players-pud(and such...)

Edit\add: if I was a teenage kid again I may want a player just for the cool little robot logo (luckily for parent$ now a days! )

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Old 03-23-2014, 02:32 PM   #27
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Not only that, but if you had the wrong version of the office suite, none of your teachers could open your term paper. Luckily I installed openoffice 1.0 and it could handle all the different formats, so I just converted them and that was the last time I use any M$ office.
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Old 03-23-2014, 02:56 PM   #28
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@suicidaleggroll or other 's Do iPuds(and like) still only allow you to up\down those "m4a" on to two or so devices only (preferably mapple$ I am sure) and without iTuns? And, I guess you can't use .ogg at lest on the small players-pud(and such...)
DRM-free = no restrictions

You don't have to "authorize" a new iTunes installation in order to play your music. You can load your music on whatever device you want, as many devices as you want, whenever you want, as many times as you want. You can do this with your own music that you purchase elsewhere or rip off of CD yourself, as well as with new music purchases through iTunes on the computer directly or through an iOS mobile device.

It has been this way for the greater part of a decade.

As far as I know none of the iOS devices support ogg.
 
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... It has been this way for the greater part of a decade. ...
Contidics my nigtmares of using an iPud video 30GB (2006 don't remember the generation) and an original phone (Linux is still awesome on it and the only updateable feature.) I remember wiping my hard drive and reinstalling m$ then not being able to "reauthorize" after reaching a computer limit even tho it was the same one (I assume to combat file sharing?) Aside from what I or we remember ituns is part of the control along with adapters and mind. I also don't support cadillac.

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Old 03-23-2014, 10:27 PM   #30
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Hi.

I know of the many reasons to tell people to switch to GNU/Linux. But I'd like to compile a list of reasons why people don't want to switch to Linux and possibly overcome most or all of the obstacles.
Perhaps they're not tech savvy enough to use alternative OSes. They rather use a fisher price amateur OS like windows instead.
 
  


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