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Old 03-29-2014, 07:36 AM   #46
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You have me curious. What has Apple done to deserve hatred?
You are not asking me, but I also dislike apple. At some point few years ago I would consider their computer to be good hardware but now you cant even replace parts on them so they are not longer considered. Another reason to dislike then for me was the approach they took with Samsung and other Android projects. And boy the culture of their users it just made me want not to be part of it. At some point I was even embarrassed to be seeing using an apple product.
Also what they did to the Open Darwin community was disappointing.

And bleeding edge? You still need Itune to transfer files to your device like it was done 10 years ago. We have bleeding edge in Arch. In Debian testing, in Slakware current, and some other distros.

So there are my reasons why I dislike apple. I don't hate them though. But I wont be buying anything with their brand on it.

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Old 03-29-2014, 09:36 AM   #47
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You have me curious. What has Apple done to deserve hatred? AFAIK in the corporate world of wolves, they've been relatively lamb-like. On the plus side they've always been on the bleeding edge of technology. I've seen a few products that seem more concerned with appearance than some functions, especially thermal, but that's hardly hate-worthy. What upsets you?
Their suicide sweatshop factories for a start. Their stuff is way overpriced. They rob ideas but jump up and down when they perceive that others may have taken an idea from them. They are tax avoiders. They conspired with book publishers to price-fix ebook prices.

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Old 03-29-2014, 12:51 PM   #48
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So far I see no mention of FREEDOM, and it should be the essential reason to use FREE software.

The desire to switch to GNU/Linux does not exist for most people because the fire in the belly for FREEDOM has largely been extinguished, or replaced by the hunger for "new, shiny, more!".

Without FREEDOM as the driving force, everything else degenerates down to market-speak, spec-speak, new and improved...

DING!DING!DING!

That is just SO true! -In every sphere of life.

Convenience/familiarity seem to be more important to most people these days. Kinda like when they give up all of their basic human rights/dignity/privacy, to board a plane here in the US....just to save a little time.

Basically, it's the reason why this world is in the shape it is in. Many blame it on "the elite"...but fact is NO ONE can control a free people; it is only when people don't value freedom and trade their rights for perceived benefits/security, that they allow monsters to control society at-large.
 
Old 03-29-2014, 01:29 PM   #49
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Disclaimer, I've never owned an apple product. Apple products seem to be over priced and the software seems to be apple only. So vender lock in, and paying more for those cuffs. Most people I've known with mac laptops also had the other option. And when they traveled they had to have both sets of hardware, always.
 
Old 03-29-2014, 07:03 PM   #50
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### People just do not want to learn something new
they normally " do not give a "equine excrement" about it "

for me

i found i was using 90%+ linux gnu ported software on windows

then moved to fedora 4 when it was NEW

i have only 2 small windows programs that i might use 4 times a year and they run in wine
 
Old 03-29-2014, 07:28 PM   #51
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High payoffs or being a "nerd" helps e.g: as a sk8border ambidextrousness comes easy to me but other tasks like writing or working seem tedious, if I remember to try and learn (need to tie on hand behind my back.)
 
Old 03-29-2014, 10:44 PM   #52
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When I switched to Linux (4 years ago), I decided to "just do it" regardless of "the cost" [i.e. what I might have to give up, in terms of software; and hardware compatibility] because I was so disgusted with Windurs; and hated having to patronize MS. I just did it, with the idea of letting the chips fall where they may.

As it turns out, I didn't have to give up much- really only one program, which I only used very occasionally- and for tasks which I have books, so I can do it the old-fashioned way...and don't mind it at all. And I didn't have to learn much*- as, by 2010, Linux had a good enough GUI and was user-friendly enough, that even a computer-illiterate boob like myself could figure it out without a hitch.

[*= I didn't HAVE to learn much....but since I actually LIKE Linux; it works well; and I feel comfortable with it, I WANT to learn about it- and have been doing so!]

So, in retrospect, I really lost nothing by switching; but I gained a whole lot- as in: I'm not constantly frustrated; my 'puter works a lot better; I can use the full power of my computer; I'm not patronizing an evil corporation [I'm not one of them anti-capitalist moaners.....but we're talking MS here!].....
 
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the one thing i do miss is having to reedit " uxtheme.dll " so i could use my custom created MS windows theme
after Microsoft decided to add that dll to a random update
 
Old 03-29-2014, 11:25 PM   #54
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I'm a bigger LibreOffice fan, and actually, LibreOffice can handle MS Office formats just fine as well.
 
Old 03-30-2014, 10:25 AM   #55
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OT = Other Tangent :P

FWIW I'm not trying to defend Apple. I've never owned a single one of their products, though I've played on many and worked on a few. I know something of their history, especially from a tech viewpoint, and I'm just curious about that leap from "it's not for me" to "I hate them". Already at least 3 people have mentioned "overpriced" but that hardly seems a reason for hatred when it is likely they don't hate Ferrari or Rolls Royce.

BTW this isn't just idle curiosity. I find that I hate Microsoft for many reasons and I think sidestepping the emotions tied up in that and seeing why others hate Apple may help me examine and weigh my own conclusions.

Back on topic - as for their operating systems they obviously fill a niche, a very LARGE niche, but I do think that at some point, just as
hardware controllers were moved onboard to hard drives, at some point, operating systems as we know them will become part of the hardware package and no longer a separate entity. Even before that it may be that the development of Containers, like Docker, Vagrant, etc. in *Nix will lead to a kind of seamless VMs where most hardware can run most software, not caring about the underlying code.
 
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It's confounding when people even who are comfortable with IT don't even give Linux a try via a Live CD - unbelievable close-mindedness.
 
Old 03-30-2014, 11:26 AM   #57
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It's confounding when people even who are comfortable with IT don't even give Linux a try via a Live CD - unbelievable close-mindedness.
That IS truly mind-boggling! I wouldn't think it possible, but....they must either be so drunk on the Kool-aid, or have such a high tolerance for BS, that they're content to stay with MS. Unbelievable! That would be like an auto mechanic who works on and drives nothing but Hyundais, never bothering to try driving a Mercedes.
 
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It's confounding when people even who are comfortable with IT don't even give Linux a try via a Live CD - unbelievable close-mindedness.
Agreed! OTOH a friend came to visit me and asked if he could use my PC to get his mail and a few other jobs. I said Yes, but neglected to mention it was Slackware. He was completely surprised when I told him as he had found everything with no help.
 
Old 03-30-2014, 11:36 AM   #59
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It's confounding when people even who are comfortable with IT don't even give Linux a try via a Live CD - unbelievable close-mindedness.
It doesn't surprise me at all. Many IT people have invested lots of time and money in learning about Windows and other MS products so to use Linux is throwing that away. Also IT professionals are more likely to be using things like Visual Studio or making full use of products like Excel and Outlook or to have home media servers that run Windows as they know how to administer it. They may also have a smart phone that integrates far better with Windows, Outlook or an exchange server.
Then there are things like Netflix and games that while they are possible with Linux can mean a lot more fussing to get them working.
Let's face it there's very little about Linux as a tool that's not present for Windows. Certainly not much that's worth giving up the convenience of Windows for.
 
Old 04-06-2014, 05:42 PM   #60
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Agreed! OTOH a friend came to visit me and asked if he could use my PC to get his mail and a few other jobs. I said Yes, but neglected to mention it was Slackware. He was completely surprised when I told him as he had found everything with no help.
Nice...

Sure, you "forgot." But OTOH, if you're used to doing something a certain way and do it that way all the time, then it actually seems legitimately possible to forget to mention that it's a CLI login
 
  


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