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Old 05-21-2011, 01:10 PM   #1
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Question try lots of linux on one dvd?


Hi! I'm back after a long break, seems windows is not going to be my thing anymore, viruses suck, although that might have been my fault, surfing while drunk can be hazardous to your pc's health...

Anyway, after going straight to the latest Ubuntu release and really not liking it, slow and clunky I thought, I am in the market for something really lightweight perhaps. I know they all seem to do live cd's now, which is great, but at the moment, I only have a few dvd's to spare, and I thought "can't they just put the latest releases of the lightweight ones together on a dvd or 2?" I know it's probably been done already and I just haven't found the right google search term for it, that's usually the case whenever I think of something, but so far I've drawn a blank.

Does it exist? A dvd (or a bunch of them) with the latest lightweight linuxes (is that a valid plural? :OS ) all clumped together so I can choose which live dvd to try when I boot it.

It'd make it a bit cheaper to burn, and a lot quicker and more fun to try out and find my perfect distro, I would love to try it if such a project exists.

Thanks for any help you can give, I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't happened yet, but I see no reason for it not existing.

cheers

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Two things come to my mind here:
1. Test the distros in a virtual machine.
2. Test the distros on your physical machine, but boot from USB.

Both ways you don't need to burn a CD/DVD and you will get noticeably speed improvements.
 
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Old 05-21-2011, 01:49 PM   #3
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Thanks TobiSGD, it's not a great machine, so VM is pretty much out I think, plus, I'm not sure how to do it in the linux environment. USB booting might be an option if I can figure out how to do it, more googling ahead I expect...

DVD booting, I'm very familiar with, I was hoping it may have been done already and I've just missed it so far, failing any good suggestions about it in the next week or so, I'll have to go with the usb thing, but I'm not even sure the target machine can boot from usb.
 
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It would help if you can post the specs of that machine. install lshw, run it from the commandline and post it here (between code-tags).
About that DVD-thing, the problem is that there are many distributions out there and they don't have a coordinated release schedule, so you have to remaster the whole thing every time a distro gets a new release. I doubt that anyone will do that work just for fun.
 
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Old 05-21-2011, 04:17 PM   #5
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Sorry TobiSGD, you're obviously trying to be helpful, and I very much appreciate your time, I think lshw is installed, however, running it from the command line means I have to access it from the new gui, which doesn't seem to want me to do it (I have to use sudo, and then remember how to pipe a command to an output file, my memory fails me a.t.m.) apparently putting a default shortcut to a terminal window is not the Ubuntu way anymore, which is a pity, because it could potentially help to solve many a problem very quickly, I will make a few attempts by Tuesday, but I have to sleep now, work requires me to be awake unfortunately :O(.

I take your point about the release dates and such, but it doesn't always HAVE to be the latest does it? I'm just trying to get an idea of what's going to work ok and what isn't, I'm thinking Minty at the mo [I'm pretty sure it'd work just dandy, but it seems like a popular copout ;O) ], I would very much like to see some of the contenders first.

I guess that I see a system screw up as a time to experiment, I want to capitalise on the moment of frustration in as little time as possible :O)

Thanks again, and if I get Ubuntu to co-operate, (and even if I don't) lshw will be coming.
 
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I have to use sudo, and then remember how to pipe a command to an output file, my memory fails me a.t.m.)
Code:
sudo lshw &> lshw-output
The file "lshw-output" will now contain the output.
 
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You should be able to go to a terminal easily with pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1 , this should work at the log-in screen, so you don't need to log into the GUI. You can get back to the GUI with Alt+F7.
For redirecting output:
Code:
sudo lshw > output
will create a file output which contains the output of lshw.
 
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I would use "&>" instead of ">", so that error output goes to the file, too.

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lshw lists the hardware in that machine, no need for redirecting errors here. But in general you are right of course.
 
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Thanks for that guys (or gals) I'd totally forgotten the ctrl+alt+f1 thing it has been too long since my last venture to linux. Anyway, here's my results, they are a bit on the long side, and don't mean a lot to me, but anyway, the question at the moment is, can the following machine boot from usb
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    description: Desktop Computer
    version: System Version
    width: 32 bits
    capabilities: smbios-2.5 dmi-2.5 smp-1.4 smp
    configuration: boot=normal chassis=desktop cpus=1 family=To Be Filled By O.E.M. sku=To Be Filled By O.E.M. uuid=007CC68B-8DFE-D511-AB62-00248C4FFEF3
  *-core
       description: Motherboard
       product: P5KPL-AM
       vendor: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
       physical id: 0
       version: x.xx
       serial: MS6C92B70504159
       slot: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
     *-firmware
          description: BIOS
          vendor: American Megatrends Inc.
          physical id: 0
          version: 0411
          date: 10/28/2008
          size: 64KiB
          capacity: 960KiB
          capabilities: isa pci pnp apm upgrade shadowing escd cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer int10video acpi usb ls120boot zipboot biosbootspecification
     *-cpu
          description: CPU
          product: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz
          vendor: Intel Corp.
          physical id: 4
          bus info: cpu@0
          version: 15.4.1
          serial: 0000-0F41-0000-0000-0000-0000
          slot: Socket 775
          size: 3066MHz
          capacity: 3800MHz
          width: 64 bits
          clock: 133MHz
          capabilities: boot fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx x86-64 constant_tsc up pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl tm2 cid cx16 xtpr
          configuration: id=0
        *-cache:0
             description: L1 cache
             physical id: 5
             slot: L1-Cache
             size: 16KiB
             capacity: 16KiB
             capabilities: internal write-back data
        *-cache:1
             description: L2 cache
             physical id: 6
             slot: L2-Cache
             size: 1MiB
             capacity: 1MiB
             capabilities: internal write-back unified
     *-memory
          description: System Memory
          physical id: 31
          slot: System board or motherboard
          size: 2GiB
        *-bank:0
             description: DIMM DDR2 Synchronous 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
             product: PartNum0
             vendor: Manufacturer0
             physical id: 0
             serial: SerNum0
             slot: DIMM A1
             size: 1GiB
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
        *-bank:1
             description: DIMM DDR2 Synchronous 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
             product: PartNum1
             vendor: Manufacturer1
             physical id: 1
             serial: SerNum1
             slot: DIMM B1
             size: 1GiB
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
     *-pci
          description: Host bridge
          product: 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller
          vendor: Intel Corporation
          physical id: 100
          bus info: pci@0000:00:00.0
          version: 10
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 33MHz
        *-pci:0
             description: PCI bridge
             product: 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express PCI Express Root Port
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:01.0
             version: 10
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pm msi pciexpress normal_decode bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport
             resources: irq:40 ioport:c000(size=4096) memory:fea00000-feafffff ioport:e0000000(size=268435456)
           *-display
                description: VGA compatible controller
                product: Redwood [Radeon HD 5670]
                vendor: ATI Technologies Inc
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
                version: 00
                width: 64 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm pciexpress msi vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
                configuration: driver=fglrx_pci latency=0
                resources: irq:46 memory:e0000000-efffffff memory:feac0000-feadffff ioport:c000(size=256) memory:feaa0000-feabffff
           *-multimedia
                description: Audio device
                product: Redwood HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5600 Series]
                vendor: ATI Technologies Inc
                physical id: 0.1
                bus info: pci@0000:01:00.1
                version: 00
                width: 64 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm pciexpress msi bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=HDA Intel latency=0
                resources: irq:45 memory:feafc000-feafffff
        *-multimedia
             description: Audio device
             product: N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1b
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1b.0
             version: 01
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=HDA Intel latency=0
             resources: irq:44 memory:fe9fc000-fe9fffff
        *-pci:1
             description: PCI bridge
             product: N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 1
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1c
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1c.0
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport
             resources: irq:41 ioport:1000(size=4096) memory:80000000-801fffff ioport:80200000(size=2097152)
        *-pci:2
             description: PCI bridge
             product: N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 2
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1c.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1c.1
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport
             resources: irq:42 ioport:d000(size=4096) memory:feb00000-febfffff ioport:fdf00000(size=1048576)
           *-network
                description: Ethernet interface
                product: RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
                vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
                logical name: eth0
                version: 02
                serial: 00:24:8c:4f:fe:f3
                size: 100Mbit/s
                capacity: 100Mbit/s
                width: 64 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master cap_list rom ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
                configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=full ip=192.168.1.3 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes port=MII speed=100Mbit/s
                resources: irq:43 ioport:d800(size=256) memory:fdfff000-fdffffff memory:fdfe0000-fdfeffff memory:febf0000-febfffff
        *-usb:0
             description: USB Controller
             product: N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.0
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: uhci bus_master
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
             resources: irq:23 ioport:b480(size=32)
        *-usb:1
             description: USB Controller
             product: N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.1
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: uhci bus_master
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
             resources: irq:19 ioport:b800(size=32)
        *-usb:2
             description: USB Controller
             product: N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.2
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: uhci bus_master
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
             resources: irq:18 ioport:b880(size=32)
        *-usb:3
             description: USB Controller
             product: N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d.3
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.3
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: uhci bus_master
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
             resources: irq:16 ioport:bc00(size=32)
        *-usb:4
             description: USB Controller
             product: N10/ICH 7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d.7
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.7
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm debug ehci bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=ehci_hcd latency=0
             resources: irq:23 memory:fe9fbc00-fe9fbfff
        *-pci:3
             description: PCI bridge
             product: 82801 PCI Bridge
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1e
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1e.0
             version: e1
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci subtractive_decode bus_master cap_list
             resources: ioport:e000(size=4096)
           *-multimedia
                description: Multimedia audio controller
                product: CM8738
                vendor: C-Media Electronics Inc
                physical id: 1
                bus info: pci@0000:04:01.0
                version: 10
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=C-Media PCI latency=64 maxlatency=24 mingnt=2
                resources: irq:16 ioport:e800(size=256)
        *-isa
             description: ISA bridge
             product: 82801GB/GR (ICH7 Family) LPC Interface Bridge
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.0
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: isa bus_master cap_list
             configuration: latency=0
        *-ide:0
             description: IDE interface
             product: 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.1
             logical name: scsi0
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: ide bus_master emulated
             configuration: driver=ata_piix latency=0
             resources: irq:18 ioport:1f0(size=8) ioport:3f6 ioport:170(size=8) ioport:376 ioport:ffa0(size=16)
           *-disk
                description: ATA Disk
                product: ST3200826A
                vendor: Seagate
                physical id: 0.0.0
                bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
                logical name: /dev/sda
                version: 3.03
                serial: 5ND17RHG
                size: 186GiB (200GB)
                capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
                configuration: ansiversion=5 signature=000a8615
              *-volume:0
                   description: EXT4 volume
                   vendor: Linux
                   physical id: 1
                   bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,1
                   logical name: /dev/sda1
                   logical name: /
                   version: 1.0
                   serial: fca3456f-0aa2-4268-858c-f2a1ce154e7b
                   size: 184GiB
                   capacity: 184GiB
                   capabilities: primary bootable journaled extended_attributes large_files huge_files dir_nlink recover extents ext4 ext2 initialized
                   configuration: created=2011-05-19 11:34:16 filesystem=ext4 lastmountpoint=/ modified=2011-05-19 11:53:25 mount.fstype=ext4 mount.options=rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,barrier=1,data=ordered mounted=2011-05-22 18:39:34 state=mounted
              *-volume:1
                   description: Extended partition
                   physical id: 2
                   bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,2
                   logical name: /dev/sda2
                   size: 2046MiB
                   capacity: 2046MiB
                   capabilities: primary extended partitioned partitioned:extended
                 *-logicalvolume
                      description: Linux swap / Solaris partition
                      physical id: 5
                      logical name: /dev/sda5
                      capacity: 2046MiB
                      capabilities: nofs
           *-cdrom
                description: DVD writer
                product: DVD_RW ND-3530A
                vendor: _NEC
                physical id: 0.1.0
                bus info: scsi@0:0.1.0
                logical name: /dev/cdrom
                logical name: /dev/cdrw
                logical name: /dev/dvd
                logical name: /dev/dvdrw
                logical name: /dev/scd0
                logical name: /dev/sr0
                version: 2.01
                serial: [
                capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r
                configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
        *-ide:1
             description: IDE interface
             product: N10/ICH7 Family SATA IDE Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.2
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: ide pm bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=ata_piix latency=0
             resources: irq:19 ioport:b400(size=8) ioport:b080(size=4) ioport:b000(size=8) ioport:ac00(size=4) ioport:a880(size=16)
        *-serial UNCLAIMED
             description: SMBus
             product: N10/ICH 7 Family SMBus Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f.3
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.3
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             configuration: latency=0
             resources: ioport:400(size=32)
     *-scsi
          physical id: 1
          bus info: usb@1:7
          logical name: scsi4
          capabilities: emulated scsi-host
          configuration: driver=usb-storage
        *-disk
             description: SCSI Disk
             physical id: 0.0.0
             bus info: scsi@4:0.0.0
             logical name: /dev/sdb
             size: 7648MiB (8019MB)
             capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
             configuration: signature=c3072e18
           *-volume
                description: Windows FAT volume
                vendor: MSDOS5.0
                physical id: 1
                bus info: scsi@4:0.0.0,1
                logical name: /dev/sdb1
                logical name: /media/6EF7-CD94
                version: FAT32
                serial: 6ef7-cd94
                size: 7647MiB
                capacity: 7647MiB
                capabilities: primary bootable fat initialized
                configuration: FATs=2 filesystem=fat mount.fstype=vfat mount.options=rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0077,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro state=mounted
if it can, I'll be looking into how to do it very soon, or if anyone can suggest a really really good distro for such a computer, I'm all ears
 
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The ASUS P5KPL-AM is a board well known to me, it has absolutely no problems with booting from USB.
I am somewhat astonished that you have problems with running Ubuntu on that setup, should run fine.

Sidenote: I would recommend to buy a cheap processor for that machine, may be a Pentium E Dualcore from the 2000 series, should speed up things a lot, and they are really cheap.
 
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lshw lists the hardware in that machine, no need for redirecting errors here. But in general you are right of course.
Not to derail this thread, but this is what happens on my Arch Linux installation:

Code:
$ lshw
bash: lshw: command not found
$ sudo lshw
Password: 
sudo: lshw: command not found
$ su
Password: 
# lshw
bash: lshw: command not found
# /sbin/lshw
bash: /sbin/lshw: No such file or directory
# /usr/sbin/lshw
bash: /usr/sbin/lshw: No such file or directory
 
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Not to derail this thread, but this is what happens on my Arch Linux installation:

Code:
$ lshw
bash: lshw: command not found
$ sudo lshw
Password: 
sudo: lshw: command not found
$ su
Password: 
# lshw
bash: lshw: command not found
# /sbin/lshw
bash: /sbin/lshw: No such file or directory
# /usr/sbin/lshw
bash: /usr/sbin/lshw: No such file or directory
From post #4:
Quote:
install lshw
Maybe you should try the same?
 
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Thanks for the tip on the processor TobiSGD, I seem to recall that the RAM could do with a little beefing up as well. It's not that it doesn't work, it's just a little on the unresponsive side,

MTK358, that is a curious error, to my admittedly untrained eye, it would suggest that lshw is not installed on that distro, or they use another command to do similar things (I really don't know my way around dependencies and packages, what works with what can be very confusing to a newbie!), but taking a look at your rep, I'd guess you'd thought of that already.

Pah! Beaten to it!
 
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For usb booting I've tried the linux way with no luck so far, then I stumbled across this one

http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/home

it's a windows thing, but I tried it under wine anyway (you can always hope) it failed miserably.

Moved it over to a windows machine and made a boot disk of slitaz, and I'm pretty impressed, (couldn't find how to set screen resolution though, it was a touch too small for my liking) I'll see what else works with that, maybe I'll set up as a multiboot machine, even though it scares me a bit, small linux can be quite tweaky it seems about plugins and so on.

So I think I'll need to keep a full on Ubuntu on the same drive. My biggest problem with Ubuntu is the application starter, which is quite a thing to have problems with, it hangs sometimes, doesn't start at others and (thankfully) works quite often.
 
  


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