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Old 02-09-2008, 06:45 PM   #226
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I am a newbie just like yourself and can only tell you my journey. I also use an old P III coopermine 800 Mhz with 512 ram.

Having the ultimate aim of becoming an exert, I started by challenging myself with Slackware but soon realized you really need a degree in computer science and be unemployed to do it. Being an extremely busy person and seeing no one on this or slackware's official site were prepared to help with quick questions I shelved the idea for in favor of Mandriva. There are many learning styles not every one learns as a book worm...
Wait, Wait, Wait, first off, no one said slackware was a newbie friendly distro. Second off, You do not need a CS degree to do it, you just need to have common sense, and be able to use google.

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I was surprised that unlike the reviews here Mandriva performed reasonably fast on my machine. However, I did come across a lot of ubs issues, specifically it did not recognize my external devices connected to my usb hub. Any device connected directly worked even though typing "mseg" showed a functioning hub.

I posted a question on the mandriva forum and was flabbergasted to be criticized for having that many external devices in the first place, even though Linux is meant to compete with windows and it worked fine on win2k. I have an external cd burner, hdd, cell phone, skype headset and mouse...in the process my mouse gave up the ghost due to so much hot swapping.
Who said Linux was meant to compete windows?, it was meant as a unix-like os designed to run on the i386 arch.
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I then decided to try PC Linux OS. Man, am I impressed with this OS. It's got everything. It recognized my usb and all devices plugged into it, including my cell phone using usb. It is so well layed out aesthetically too. It has all the multimedia, office, internet applications you could ever want and is reasonably fast.

The relatively minor problems are

Sometimes when I boot the usb mouse does not load properly. I.e. the mouse is jumpy or slow. So, I have to reboot or some times end a session and it sorts the problem.

Thus far no-one here has given me a satisfactory answer about this issue.

The only other is samba. My PC Linux machine can see my windows machine but not the other way round. I guess this is not a fault but more my ignorance on how to configure samba. But as per my other questions I have not received any concrete answers on forums.

So I am going to have to wait and enroll on a course during my summer break when I have more time.

I would say I could persuade my granny to use PC Linux it is that user friendly. But communities have to become more generous before there is a mass update to kick out microsoft.
I don't understand how the communities aren't generous, considering we are all volunteers on our free time, I would say even answering a small percentage of the questions would be generous
 
Old 02-10-2008, 12:10 AM   #227
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I have set my sights on finding a functioning OS, but lots of questions remain. The old box is a PII 350 MHz with 128MB RAM and a 3.9GB hard drive
I'll put my in. I have a computer that is 350 MHz and 64 MB of memory. I've successfully run Puppy w/ XFCE on it and it's pretty snappy. Also, I've run Slackware 11 on it, using XFCE and Enlightenment 16 - it wasn't bad at all. I would not expect cutting edge performance, but you will get your work done. Email, Internet, word processing, graphics *somewhat* and a game or three. Not bad.

Does really well sharing a dial up connection too. . .
 
Old 02-10-2008, 01:46 AM   #228
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I understand the limitations of the PII at my disposal, but in general, I was wondering if any of those popular, well-supported distros (e.g. Mandriva, Debian, Ubuntu/Xubuntu) or their derivatives could be installed in lighter versions (better suited for my meager 128MB RAM).

To polarbear20000: Xfce looks just fine, but I didn't like the appearance of puppy when viewing its screenshots; it's probably not the primary concern, I know, but not entirely insignificant either.

AFA siawash's suggestion of PCLinuxOS, yes, it might have been good if not for the memory issue (I read it in a review on this site it needs 256MB RAM for the live CD to work ).

I've been trying to check the general hardware requirements on all the distros of interest to me, but they're not always so clearly defined, thus complicating my task. You might suggest I try them out, but I'd rather narrow down the list first. Since the HD is also pathetically small, I'll probably opt out of dual booting altogether. Why keep an error-spouting enfant terrible hogging the precious space better utilized otherwise?

Anyway, I'll take wing again and look for the ideal landing place. Everyone running distros on old boxes are welcome to cast their two cents here as well. Thanks.

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Old 02-10-2008, 07:24 AM   #229
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With 128 MB RAM the question is not really that much of "which distribution", but "which window manager". Very beginner-friendly distributions like *ubuntus won't let you decide which WM or desktop environment you install (except, with Ubuntu, choosing a different ubuntu flavor). But, with Debian as an example, you can cross the option "install desktop environment" during the installation, which would install Gnome, or leave it out, so that the installation has no desktop environment at all. After that you can do a simple "apt-get install fluxbox" and get Fluxbox, an example of a lightweight WM that will have no problems with 128 MB RAM. (After that it only comes down to what applications you run _in_ the WM.) The less positive thing about lightweight window managers is that they tend to have no graphical way to configure them, which in practice leads to a) flexibility and b) having to read the documentation to be able to use the WM. Which really isn't as bad as it may sound.

Anyway, my suggestion is simply to take a distribution with lightweight window managers in the repository, install the initial system without a WM and then throw one in by hand (such distributions would be e.g. Debian or Arch Linux). The text only installation of basically any available distribution will require much less than 128 MB, and the smallest window managers won't add much to that at all.
 
Old 02-12-2008, 10:41 AM   #230
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I understand the limitations of the PII at my disposal, but in general, I was wondering if any of those popular, well-supported distros (e.g. Mandriva, Debian, Ubuntu/Xubuntu) or their derivatives could be installed in lighter versions (better suited for my meager 128MB RAM).
If you're planning on doing anything remotely ambitious with older hardware, it's important to get every bit of optimization out of the equipment you have. You can start with something like Ubuntu or Mandriva and then pare away all the stuff you don't want or your computer can't use, but sometimes the effort doesn't seem to pay off.

With older hardware, I've either opted for a Slackware or Debian derivative that targets older hardware and uses a "lighter" window manager (Zenwalk or AntiX, for example), or started with Debian/Slackware/Arch/Gentoo and then built my system up from the command line with just the stuff I want.

If you're a less experienced user, I'd go with the Slackware/Debian derivatives first. Those source distros tend to be pretty quick and the the better derivatives do a good job of configuring your system out of the box. I personally have used and like Zenwalk (XFCE - Slackware), AntiX (Fluxbox - Mepis/Debian), and TinyME (PCLOS).

BUT, with the help of a good installation guide and enough patience, there's no reason why you couldn't run Debian or Slackware proper.

Chris
 
Old 02-13-2008, 01:39 AM   #231
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I'm only in the first stages of learning the Linux ropes, so I wouldn't try to mess with the system on my own . Even so, I will (as necessitated by the hardware) try the different apps available out to the extent that I find the most suitable components. On one hand, I'm willing to roam around, while on the other hand, I'd happily install a distro with a decent array of apps for my liking (as described in my first post) and not have to worry about the details.

Right now, I'm leaning toward Xubuntu. We'll see how that will fly.
 
Old 02-13-2008, 03:16 AM   #232
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I once installed Xubuntu on a P400 MHz with 256 MB RAM and was surprised how slow it was. Booting up took several minutes, launching a console maybe around 15 seconds. I don't know if it was only Xfce that was so slow or the rest of the Xubuntu installation, but I think it was all the stuff that is loaded automatically on startup on *ubuntu systems. As they're very beginner oriented distributions, they tend to start all daemons and applications that someone could possibly need on the background, much one-size-fits-all style, and I think that's what made the system run so slow. (Probably that's also why they started the Fluxbuntu project in order to have an even leaner Ubuntu.)

Ubuntus are great distributions and they make everything rather easy for beginners (maybe even too easy), and you can try Xubuntu and see how it works for you, but having a backup plan might also be a good idea. (Something like Damn Small Linux, Puppy Linux, VectorLinux...)
 
Old 02-15-2008, 04:29 AM   #233
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Xubuntu I've read loads a lot of GTK libraries, which make it slower than a bare bones xfce install. On a PIII 733 MHz with 160mb ram, I actually found Xubuntu and Ubuntu to be very similar in speed (and both were very quick). I'd try out Xubuntu on a PII, but I'd run a speed comparison with something like Damn Small to see what kind of speed that thing could really put out. You may find Xubuntu to be much slower.

The fastest responding combination I have on that PIII is Arch with Windowmaker. If you're willing to put in a little more time, using a distro that installs a base system, and adding your own lightweight components and window manager will be really worthwhile.
 
Old 02-16-2008, 10:50 AM   #234
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Actually, if one wants to load Ubuntu onto an older PC, I would recommend getting the server edition and picking & choosing the packages you want. That way, one has control on what gets installed on their PC.
 
  


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