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Old 09-30-2013, 01:23 PM   #1
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Will you continue using windows XP after end of life on April 2014


yes, no or will upgrade to 7 or 8?

OF course, MS could change their mind on the last minute and extend XP. NOT!

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Old 09-30-2013, 02:18 PM   #2
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I'll predict that Microsoft will never actually succeed in achieving "end-of-life" for Windows-XP, because this system is the last truly-successful Windows deployment that Microsoft ever had. It did what people needed a 32-bit Windows system to do, cured most of the flaws from the "Windows-NT" days, and became relatively stable. But, from this point forward, Microsoft stopped listening to what people wanted ("we want a 64-bit Windows-XP, please"), and started trying to tell them what they should want. You can count the falling-dominoes, from Vista to Windows-7 to "let's turn your Windows box into a cell-phone." Microsoft customers had a very simple answer to this: they stopped upgrading. Corporate users bought new machines and promptly re-imaged them to ... Windows-XP ... voluntarily giving-up 64-bit in the process.

Now that Steve Ballmer is "officially gone," things might begin to turn around, but it will take a long time to change the course of such a giant ship. I'll predict that, whether Microsoft likes it or not, Win-XP will continue to be supported through at least the year 2023.

Or, perhaps more likely, it will have become an irrelevant technology. Right now, "Microsoft owns Windows," which means that only "Microsoft Corporation" can have anything meaningful to do with it. This might not sound like "a limitation," but in fact it is ... when your competitor is Open-Source with its collaborative software-development model. Linux right now runs on more than 20 platforms. Under the guise of Android, it runs the majority of the world's cell-phones and tablets; and Unix, under the guise of iOS, runs virtually all of the remainder.

Microsoft continues to adopt the "we are a monopoly" business-model that they managed to get an (also-irrelevant, now-dead) Federal judge to "officially" declare. They continue to perceive that "Windows is our ace-in-the-hole," hence it is unlikely that they will ever actually grok this simple idea: "We are a software company ... why do we care what operating-system our software runs on?!" Thus, Microsoft will never enter into the business of selling <<OS != Microsoft_Windows>> software, other than their oh-so-slight venture into selling Apple versions of (only part of ...) Office. Microsoft's most-senior management would consider it to be "an admission of defeat, a loss of face," to provide Linux versions of their key assets, even though they right-now possess the technical ability to do so. Therefore, it is most probable that they will sink rather than swim.

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Old 09-30-2013, 02:31 PM   #3
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You could be right, they did extended XP a couple of times in the past. I don't use windows anymore but a linux zealot like me do admit that XP was a great OS. It was also the last time of using windows.

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Old 09-30-2013, 02:40 PM   #4
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You could be right, they did extended XP a couple of times in the past. I don't use windows anymore but a linux zealot like me do admit that XP was a great OS. It was also the last time of windows.
XP was "a great OS." Microsoft listened to what its customers wanted, delivered it, and then "got cocky." From that point forward, their guiding principles became the following:
  1. "We are The World." We can deliver anything we want to, and you will of course buy it, and if you don't see the brilliant necessity of this, it's because you, the customer, are a Loser.
  2. We made this really nifty marketing deal with anti-virus software companies, so we're going to disable all the security features of our system so that you'll be infested with malware so that you'll pay subscriptions for software that closes the barn door after your prize race-horse has been stolen ... because we get a percentage.
  3. Our marketing department thinks that this user-interface looks so much nicer than the one you've installed 150,000 copies of and trained all your users on. So, we installed it and removed the other one.
  4. "Any questions?" See #1.

And the real-world responded. And Microsoft still didn't understand. They still don't.
 
Old 09-30-2013, 02:50 PM   #5
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I only use xp in a virtual machine once per year... to do my tax declaration. (German tax office software to do this online only runs on windows). For this limited purpose I don't bother updating anymore, I don't even run antivirus software.
I don't plan to upgrade anytime soon...
Which btw I would argue that the word upgrade does not really seem appropriate as it implies an improvement :-)
 
Old 09-30-2013, 02:55 PM   #6
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@ sundialsvcs

I guess this is why windows 8 failed. MS assumed what was best for the consumers by making a desktop act like a windows phone or tablet. They just stop listening and started doing things there own way. They did however started listening which led them to make windows 8.1. But the damage is already done.
 
Old 09-30-2013, 03:25 PM   #7
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will i upgrade to 7 or 8 from xp

seeing as i DO NOT own nor ever intend to own a copy of Windows xp,vista,7,8,8.1,....

that would have to be a NO
 
Old 09-30-2013, 03:27 PM   #8
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Selling my eeepc 900. I have LXLE installed on it but a XP CD is in the netbook bag. I ran AntiX 13.1 on it before I decided to sell it but I figured a rookie buyer would be lost using Icewm or Fluxbox.

I am leaving the buyer the option to install XP if they wish to use it.

Me, I can't maneuver in Windows. I am Windows Dyslexic. Besides. Gnu/Linux runs so good on stuff like this

Code:
$ inxi -MFxz
System:    Host: biker Kernel: 3.7.10-antix.3-486-smp i686 (32 bit, gcc: 4.7.3) 
           Desktop: IceWM 1.3.7 Distro: antiX-13_386-full Luddite 01 June 2013
Machine:   Mobo: IBM model: 26474MU Bios: IBM version: 1AET64WW (1.20 ) date: 10/18/2006
CPU:       Single core Mobile Intel Pentium III CPU - M (-UP-) cache: 512 KB flags: (pae sse) bmips: 1598.55 clocked at 800.00 MHz 
Graphics:  Card: S3 SuperSavage IX/C SDR bus-ID: 01:00.0 
           X.Org: 1.12.4 drivers: savage (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1024x768@60.0hz 
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on softpipe GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 8.0.5 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card: Intel 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller driver: snd_intel8x0 ports: 1c00 18c0 bus-ID: 00:1f.5 
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.7.10-antix.3-486-smp
Network:   Card-1: Ralink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI driver: rt61pci ver: 2.3.0 bus-ID: 07:00.0
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Intel 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller 
           driver: e100 ver: 3.5.24-k2-NAPI port: 6400 bus-ID: 02:08.0
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 80.0GB (27.7% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: ST980815A size: 80.0GB 
Partition: ID: / size: 73G used: 21G (31%) fs: ext4 ID: swap-1 size: 1.12GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 51.0C mobo: 51.0C 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 4854 
Info:      Processes: 101 Uptime: 29 min Memory: 340.7/1007.8MB Runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.7.2 
           Client: Shell (bash 4.2.37) inxi: 1.9.14 
harry@biker:~
$ sux
Password: 
bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device
bash: no job control in this shell
root@biker:/home/harry# blkid
/dev/sda1: LABEL="/" UUID="6011bbe8-33ac-450c-a316-2a4c3d87d960" TYPE="ext4" 
/dev/sda2: UUID="bf00fd58-e1c6-45cb-8846-dc65256c8790" TYPE="swap"
which Vista,7 or 8 would run like molasses in winter on this IBM T23.
 
Old 09-30-2013, 03:28 PM   #9
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I wish I were permitted to keep my 64-bit XP system at work.
I have a powerful Windows 7 system that I use only for a few activities that need serious CPU and ram.
I have a much older wimpier 64-bit XP system that I use for almost everything, because 64-bit XP is better and more flexible and easier to use than Windows 7. I had no choice of OS on the more powerful system (because of my employer's fairly strict IT policies).
The older system is not officially in use, despite the fact that my work depends on it and the fact that most engineers here have second systems that they depend on that similarly are officially turned off and stored waiting to be discarded.
But IT has enough semi official recognition that those machines are actually still in use to decree that all those machines will have XP 64 removed from them before the official Microsoft end of life of XP.
This machine would be useless with Windows 7.
Despite years of using Linux on the side at work and as my main system at home, I don't really know enough to use Linux for the wide range of work activities that are now XP64. I'm at least that far from being able to use Windows 7 for such things, plus the excess anti virus software we have here means certain activities simply can't function on the same system as the build and test that I do on W7, and nothing at all will function on the wimpier machine in W7.
I don't know where I will find the time to put together Linux procedures for all my current XP64 procedures, but switching this system to W7 would be as good as switching it to match its current official status. After XP64, this computer will either be Linux or turned off.

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yes, no or will upgrade to 7 or 8?
Won't be allowed to continue XP
Won't downgrade to 7 or 8
I hope I have time to upgrade it to Linux

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Corporate users bought new machines and promptly re-imaged them to ... Windows-XP ... voluntarily giving-up 64-bit in the process.
When the system I described above was purchased 64-bit XP cost a lot more than 32-bit XP on the same 64-bit hardware. This corporation paid that extra, because 32-bit just doesn't cut it for our work and nothing Microsoft post XP was usable for real work on the hardware then available. Hardware has advanced enough that W7 can do badly with more hardware what XP does better with less.

We have some customers who instead did what you described and are STILL using 32 bit XP for what should be serious work. For our customers (whose needs are not the same as our needs) the best choice between 32-bit XP and 64-bit XP back when 64-bit XP was seriously overpriced, was always 64-bit Linux.

For a corporate user, using 32-bit XP because 64-bit XP was too expensive never made sense. Maybe it was common, but it was wrong. 64-bit XP was too expensive, so use it anyway or use Linux.

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Old 09-30-2013, 04:14 PM   #10
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I run xp in a virtual machiene ause I need to run a website from time to time for work that only work in "internet explorer" (gag me with a spoon)
 
Old 09-30-2013, 08:38 PM   #11
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I guess this is why windows 8 failed. MS assumed what was best for the consumers by making a desktop act like a windows phone or tablet. They just stop listening and started doing things there own way. They did however started listening which led them to make windows 8.1. But the damage is already done.
Windows-8 is only the latest in a long series of misadventures by a company that has forgotten that "customer business requirements are king, and Microsoft Corporation exists only to facilitate those requirements." I sincerely hope that the senior management will go back to its roots and rediscover what once made Microsoft great. They are a fantastic group of software developers, and they own software assets that are second to none. But they just can't get their eyes off "Windows."

Maybe, someone in Redmond will "think outside the box." And, mark my words, i-f they do, they're going to drive a gigantic bush-hog through a whole lot of "sittin' fat an' happy" companies (and open-source projects ...) that are utterly convinced that they'll never do it. Microsoft (IMHO) is leaving billions of dollars' worth of potential revenue on the table right now. But they just might one day figure that out. These cats do know how to design, build, and deploy fantastic software, and they possess the already-perfected means to do so to any platform. They could be unstoppable, if they didn't stop themselves.

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Old 09-30-2013, 08:39 PM   #12
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I haven't used Windows XP in 5 years now, so I guess my answer would be "no".
 
Old 09-30-2013, 10:44 PM   #13
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Hell no, kicked 7 in the gut 8 can $uck my (ahem); never again!
 
Old 10-02-2013, 06:50 AM   #14
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I quit using XP in 2003. Looking at my history, I bought a laptop with XP in December 2002, after about 6 months I had reformatted it and was dual booting, then after a year had formatted again without the dual boot. Windows 2000 was the peak of MS OS's and XP was the start of the downhill slide.
 
Old 10-02-2013, 09:25 AM   #15
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I quit using XP in 2004 or 5 I think. I don't think that I'll miss it. It did do it's job, but was quite vulnerable to exploits. I think that it was the first Microsoft OS that was stable enough to use for anything other than playing a game, and it took them 20 years to produce it. It's strengths were hardware compatibility and ease of use. And there was tons of free software that would run on it.

Linux passed up XP in performance, security, reliability, scalability, years ago. The only thing holding Linux back as compared to XP was firmware. That's no longer so.

There's just no reason to use XP if you have access to a modern Linux box. Well, other than if you have an app that you just can't get away from like photoshop.
 
  


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