hahahahahahahahahahaha Unions!? Are you kidding? They are an antiquated means of insuring the employees were not exploited back when the government did nothing. Now all they do is hinder progress and become more greedy. I remember workin gfor a municipality and the streets department made up of union workers while their hours were from 8-5 m-f they came in like 9:30 and left at 3 and they had all this ridiculous breaks and 5 guys and two trucks would go out to fill one pothole. One guy fills the other 4 stood around and stared and chatted.

Non-profit my ass. Look at philadelphia and its unions its so corrupt.

Your assumptions of knowing that just a few unions don't work doesn't mean all of them are incapable of working correctly. It's similiar to saying if a few teenagers drive like maniacs, then all teenagers should not be allowed to drive.

If I were upper management. I would love to hire you and exploit you just based on your attitudes towards unions.

I'm getting the feeling that some people posting on this conversation like to lurk in the shadows, do nothing if at all possible, except give unconstructive negative feedback. This is juvenile and immature. Is this what they mean by the word "troll" on message boards????

People of FSF/Open Source Movement must have faith & optimism that they can come together & be heard, and use their talents for something constructive. This was shown when the Linux Kernel was being developed and became mainstream. Now it must be shown in constructing a website that gives are views not only on software, but other issues that plague are times.

Do something constructive right now and get more people you know involved in this conversation. The more minds, the better the ability to think outside the box and get something done.

lol I just had like 8 people tell me what *my* views are and why they're not feasible
People are so funny, "defend the status quo! reject all that's different or requires extraordinary work!".

I came upon this link .

It's enlightening and educational.

Keep your head up, if you believe your views are correct. Do more research to validate your views and prove them in arguments. The majority of people on this planet thought this earth was flat and not a sphere only to become proven wrong later. The masses are not always correct, and that's the greatness about democracy, the minority can have it's say, and possibly one day have it's way.

philipuso, don't take offence, but we're all not as intelligent as you are and if most people are like me, we have no idea what is it that you really want.

What will another political website achieve except more confusion amidst conflicting views and opinions. Perhaps you want to start a forum? Well, there are plenty of political forums out there already.

Reading through most of your posts, I get only confusion and not clarity. You have not made any single practical point, but your posts are full of grandiose philosophy.

Sorry, but I really can't see the point that you wish to make. Probably you can explain it to me or call me an idiot.

The FSF people and a pool of the Open Source people have a common bond. They believe software source code should stay available to the public for editing and modification for the benefit of the public as a whole.
These people consist of programmers, IT professionals, computer guru's, people who like to tweak with linux and learn more about pc's than the average everyday window's person.

Now imagine a large pool of non-voters who are between the ages of 18-30 that are fed up with the two leading parties (Dems & Reps.) and are open to something more trustworthy, transparent, & efficient. These people are avid technology users, and could be easier influenced by the internet(an unowned source of info), rather than tv and other media(owned by u know who). These people are prime targets for a burgeoning party that could make it a mainstream party.

With this common bond, a website can be created, let's say "OpenMovement.org". Forums can be setup in a hierarchal fashion based on today's big issues such as immigration, capital punishment, gay marriage, etc, etc. Calculations would exist to allow members of the website(party) to elect others based on their messages, for example if I thought John Doe hit the nail on the head for a policy on our "southern immigration". I would give him my vote on his message and only be able to do so once like each other member for each message. The message (or all of the author's messages) would move to the top of the "southern immigration forum" with each vote it received over others, to become more visible and popular. This would give the author or the message itself more visibility to all the members. The most popular view then on that subtopic("southern immigration") would be the party's view. Representatives of the party would be elected to represent this party with similiar calculations.
I believe, with our technical abilitities, we can construct a way for members to write, or say in audio format, or even video format, their views on a forum. Have those views judged by others and processed so the views that the majority of the party members' agree on become the party's views. Representatives of the party would be also selected by messages being processed in fair manner. The source code would be available to all members(possibly public too) allowing them to catch unfair policies in the calculations of representatives and the policies of the party. This would be some of the openness & transparency shown to the public.

I believe the FSF/Open source people have the talent to create this technological wonder that would give more influence about our beliefs in the FSF to other young (18-30) members. Meaning they could join, be required to accept the FSF policy, along with policies on other more mainstream issues like immigration, gay marriage and so on.
Some of the barriers would include how to make sure one physical person has one membership account(usb finger print authentication?), how to make sure the person is a US citizen(Social Security # is the only national ID i know of?)
But I still believe the FSF/Open source people have the perseverence to get over these hurdles.

Technology is turning the tables on the thought processes & effectiveness of political parties. We should take advantage of the time we have, before other parties use the internet to make themselves more effective. Ex. Howard Dean's ability to draw funds from the typical american.

OK, so you're restricting this to the people of the United States. Thanks for clarifying that.

I think I have nothing further to contribute here.

Why should the creation of a libertarian and egalitarian society akin to the structure open source development uses be limited to the US? That sounds like an american egocentrist attitude to me... If all people are equal then do not all deserve the benefits of not on a syndicalist society, but to, at the very least be involved in discussion even if application is not yet practical?

correct me if i'm wrong

software application ?

there's nothing much about political problem,social problem,anarchist communities,not even the practicablebility of a technocracy.
It's more of a software programming problem that he's trying to pose for everybody.Correct me if i'm wrong,is it a Linux balloting system using usb finger print authentication(at least the hardware problem had been solved)?

open source into politics is just going to far lol come on now open source is just for a hobby or your job or your desktop nothing more its not like a religion or acult or any huge in that nature .. thats what i personally think and i also think people get way to obsessed with open source